Edward Monaghan

[redclover]

Hi Heywood, off the top of my head, I can only answer one of your queries, You ask where the family where in 1911.

Edward was discharged from the Army in 1910 in Jersey. The family then moved to Erdington in Birmingham. The 1911 census has the following:

Edward Monaghan     42
Sarah   Monaghan     41
Annie   Monaghan     18
John E Monaghan      17
William Monaghan     16
Alfred  Monaghan      13
Kathleen Monaghan   11
Mary Vete (Zeta?)  Monaghan  5
Hun (Ileen) Monaghan    3
Frank Monaghan  1

Class RG 14, Piece 18339

The names Annie and John E are crossed out because Annie was a domestic servant at Crumpsall Infirmary, Manchester (Annie Managhan) on the 1911 census and John E was at Regent Fort, Jersey (Edward Monagham) on the Channel Islands census that evening.

Frank (Francis) died in 1921, Sarah Monaghan died in 1924 and Edward Monaghan died in 1937.

I'll look at your other suggestions tomorrow.

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[heywood]

Thanks - found them in 1911 now - bad transcription.

[redclover]

heywood: As regards the Dublin birth, yes I had picked up on the birth of Sarah Jane Darcy on 16 Jan 1870, the image of the Parish register is on Ancestry.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61039&h=7692235&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=hkU1664&_phstart=successSource

When I searched Irish Genealogy I found John Darcy's marriage to Susan Magee

https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/b8c0f10039387?b=https%3A%2F%2Fchurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fsearch.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Djoannes%26namel%3Ddarcy%26exact%3Dtrue%26location%3Ddublin%26yyfrom%3D1867%26yyto%3D1867%26submit%3DSearch

I also found that John and Sarah had a prolific family.
The births are on Irish Genealogy.

Georgius Darcy      2/9/1868
Sarah Jane Darcy   16/1/1870
Maria Elizabeth Darcy   23/2/1872
Susanna Darcy   18/1/1874
Anne Darcy   7/9/1875
Elizabeth Darcy   20/9/1877  (possibly died at 18 months)
Jo? Joseph Darcy  2/11/1879
Elizabeth Darcy   14/1/1882
Christina Darcy   8/6/1885

All very interesting but not sure whether these siblings will help in the research.

There is a civil record for the death of Susan Darcy (Dublin) in 1893.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=susan&namel=darcy&location=Dublin&yyfrom=1893&yyto=1893&type=D&submit=Search

If this is the same person, then taking into account your comment about Sarah's mother in law on the 1901 census, I don't see any discrepancy. Sarah's mother was Susan Darcy, her mother in law was Susan Monaghan (mis-transcribed as Moraghan). A look at the original photo clearly shows the name as Monaghan. She is listed as married so presumably Edward was still alive maybe in Dublin.

[redclover]

There is an interesting record on the 1881 census for Dukinfield, Ashton under lyne.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&db=uki1881&h=1808585

Thomas Monaghan   40
S??lA (Susannah) Monaghan  36
Mary Monaghan  9

Susanah crossed out, but very difficult to decide what the name has been replaced with. The year of birth wouldn't be too different than that of Susan Monaghan on the 1901 census.

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[redclover]

heywood: The Lancashire Quarter Sessions record for Ann Monaghan of Ashton under Lyne is certainly interesting, especially when you look at the Onney Monahan 1861 census record. Living at 51 Fleeet Street, it seems in all these records, all roads lead to Fleet Street, Ashton under Lyne.

There is another record in the 1861 census

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=23421388

Showing Onney Monagan (mis-transcribed as Enney Monagan) a 23 year old working as a servant, living in Warrigton, same details except for the address.

Your comment 'Onney is usually short for Honora which is also often Hanora and Ann is a version'.

I suppose Hannah would be in this mix. When I first looked at the marriage details for Ann Monaghan and James Goulden, I translated the name Annam Monaghan as Hannah Monaghan.

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[heywood]

There is a civil record for the death of Susan Darcy (Dublin) in 1893.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=susan&namel=darcy&location=Dublin&yyfrom=1893&yyto=1893&type=D&submit=Search

If this is the same person, then taking into account your comment about Sarah's mother in law on the 1901 census, I don't see any discrepancy. Sarah's mother was Susan Darcy, her mother in law was Susan Monaghan (mis-transcribed as Moraghan). A look at the original photo clearly shows the name as Monaghan. She is listed as married so presumably Edward was still alive maybe in Dublin.

This lady looks likely to be the Susan Darcy of Drumcondra - marriage 1876 John Darcy and Susan O’Rorke.
Husband John is in 1901 - a widower with children.

I only comment to say that errors do occur on records and I just noticed the names, that was all.

[heywood]

Just for noting

1891 3276/33

46 Fleet Street A u L

Ann Goulden, lodger, widow, 55 yrs b Kilmainham, Ireland

[redclover]

This lady looks likely to be the Susan Darcy of Drumcondra - marriage 1876 John Darcy and Susan O’Rorke.
Husband John is in 1901 - a widower with children.

I only comment to say that errors do occur on records and I just noticed the names, that was all.

Taking this into account, I looked for any other record for a Susan Darcy (death)in Ireland without success. I did however find a death record for Susan Darcy in Birmingham in 1916. This is where Edward and Sarah settled after his discharge from the Army. Her age fits as well.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7579&h=18681888&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=hkU1724&_phstart=successSource

On this basis I looked for her in England rather than in ireland and found her, I believe, in the 1911 census.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1911England&indiv=try&h=20060628

She is in North Manchester at the house of Michael and Mary Murray. The record shows Mary's maiden name as Darcy and birth year as 1872. Checking Irish Genealogy they have a record for the birth of Maria Elizabeth Darcy, daughter of John and Susan on 1st march 1872.

Looking back at your earlier comment about the 1901 census record with Susan Monaghan (mother in law), as you suggested, should this have read Susan Darcy, mother?

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[redclover]

A thought that just occurred to me, we had Edward and Sarah's marriage cert with Edward (deceased) as the father. Edward may have put this in to avoid embarrassment due to his illegitimacy.

Then we have a possible error in the 1901 census record for Sarah Monaghan and family showing Susan Monaghan as mother in law.

Edward quoted Ann Golding as his mother in the army discharge papers.

I spent some time looking for his 'adopted 'parents, Edward and Susan Monaghan. I wonder if they ever existed?