Agnes Garvin; b:1898;

[rosie99]

Having the birth cert itself gives definite proof.

The birth certificate is really needed but it is not definite proof that Christopher is her father if he is mentioned.  The fact that Catherine was married to him she could still name him.  I do not think he is her father as otherwise he would have been mentioned on the baptism.

[sng165]

I've now "tidied up" my tree & deleted all the incorrect Garvins!
I've sent for the .pdf birth cert. (I've used that before thanks).
Whilst searching for the Christopher (Thornber?) Catterall, I noticed there's one in Preston on the 1861/1871 census (father James) with what appears to be a military background?? maybe that's the reason for his absence(s)??

[avm228]

Yes, the Christopher Catterall b abt 1856 Gibraltar, with parents James and Catherine in Preston in 1871, looks a good possibility. He was at that stage a drummer, 3rd Royal Lancs Militia.

Birth reg for a sister:

Alice Catterall, mother’s maiden name Osborn, Mar qtr 1860 Preston 8e 424.

[avm228]

Christopher Catterall b Gibraltar joined the 7th Brigade in August 1876 (aged 19yrs 6mo) as a musician, and served as a drummer. His service record shows that he had secondary syphilis by 1880. He served in the Army Reserves from 1883 and was reported absent (his final entry) on 18 October 1887.

His next of kin were his father James and siblings Thomas, James, Alice and “Leavey” (Olivia). His records were never updated with marriage details.

[rosie99]

Christopher Catterall b Gibraltar joined the 7th Brigade in August 1876 (aged 19yrs 6mo) as a musician, and served as a drummer. His service record shows that he had secondary syphilis by 1880. He served in the Army Reserves from 1883 and was reported absent (his final entry) on 18 October 1887.

His next of kin were his father James and siblings Thomas, James, Alice and “Leavey” (Olivia). His records were never updated with marriage details.

That would tie in well with the births of William & Elizabeth c1887 /8

The records also note that he is C of E.    He was serving in Ireland c1880/82 so maybe why we have not located the family on the 1881 census

[sng165]

In 1881, "Kate" Catterall (Daughter b1856) is on 1881 Census with, Mary (Widow) Esther & Margaret "Gavan" in Blackburn

[Pennines]

I am so sorry to have inferred that Christopher WAS the father of Agnes -- I have been guilty of 'speed reading' again and had completely missed the baptism details for Agnes at Pleasington Priory showing just her mother's name. I had seen the other baptisms showing presumably her brothers with both parents names. (I must do better!)

Pleasington Priory is around the corner from both Livesey and Witton (Witton being the sub district of Blackburn, shown on Lancs BMD as where her birth was registered). Hence the locations for the birth of Agnes are definitely fitting in with the one found.

[rosie99]

In 1881, "Kate" Catterall (Daughter b1856) is on 1881 Census with, Mary (Widow) Esther & Margaret "Gavan" in Blackburn

I was looking in 1881 for young Charles with his mother 
CATTERALL, CHARLES       mmn GARVIN 
1878  Dec Quarter in BLACKBURN  Volume 08E  Page 395

[Pennines]

This is just a snippet really -- but I notice from records that 4 of Christopher and Catherine's children died.

The baby, William - born in 1887 - died aged 7 months and appears to be buried on his own in grave number N 5859 at Blackburn Cemetery. The burial record on Deceased on Line shows him as son of Christopher and Catherine.

I think this is odd. It's so unusual for a baby to be buried in a plot on their own. I was hoping to find members of the family buried in the same grave as each other - but I'm not having much success.

Looks like son Christopher b 1885, may have died in 1908, aged 22.

Catherine Catterall, may have died in 1919 aged 63 - but again she isn't showing up as buried in Blackburn Cemetery under that name.