Finding George RICHARDS

[Annette7]

Seems George Charles and Hannah had an earlier child also baptised at Whitehaven i.e. Sarah Ann Richards bp.25/12/1857.  Birth Dec.qtr.1857 Whitehaven - mmn Shepherd.   Hannah was only 17 (born 1840).   In 1861 Sarah Ann is with her maternal grandmother in Whitehaven.

Just found that George Charles Richards and Hannah Shepherd did indeed marry.   GRO have made an error in their original indexing.  Found a Hannah Shepherd marriage Mar.qtr.1857 Whitehaven ref.10B 644.   However, sharing this page reference are 2 females and only 1 male!   Checked for Richards in Mar.qtr.1857 on original GRO index pages and duly found George Charles Richards - he has the correct ref. no. details i.e. Volume 10B, page 644 BUT whoever wrote it in original handwritten index has written the district as 'Whitechapel' instead of Whitehaven which explains why the marriage hasn't been found before.

So, I would say the next step would be to purchase this marriage certificate - however, if I was you I would only order it in the name of Hannah Shepherd, don't mention the groom by name at all.

Annette

[avm228]

Free index for 1911 suggests George Charles Richards is still alive aged "70" and in an institution in Barnstaple, Devon.

[Ladyhawk]

Seems George Charles and Hannah had an earlier child also baptised at Whitehaven

i.e. Sarah Ann Richards bp.25/12/1857.  Birth Dec.qtr.1857 Whitehaven - mmn Shepherd.   

Hannah was only 17 (born 1840).   

In 1861 Sarah Ann is with her maternal grandmother in Whitehaven.

It looks as if their daughter died

Sarah Ann RICHARDS age   4 
1862  M Quarter in WHITEHAVEN  Volume 10B  Page 394

[Outlaws]

Thank you all for your amazing messages re George Richards. I had already found quite a few details which correspond to your chats, however none of us seem to actually be able to prove that this George is John RICHARD’s father as we cannot confirm his mother. 
It would appear that a child named John lives with Hannah & George but whether it is my actual great grandfather still cannot be proved as whom the mother is remains an enigma! 

Thank you for the hints of marriage certificates, I shall certainly obtain one 
Thank you for confirming that the name Richardson has been transcribed rather than Richards. I am still new to researching

Outlaw

[avm228]

He was baptised as a son of Hannah and George, as found earlier at reply #16.

[Outlaws]

Thank you all for your research I shall send for the relevant certificates.  It would still be lovely to discover who in fact was John Richards mother, but I guess that might have to remain a mystery. However as you all say you are sure he was part of this Richard/Shepherd family, so that has to satisfy me at present
Outlaw

[Annette7]

I really don't understand why you are doubting that Hannah was his mother.   Clearly, this family moved around constantly and it was probably due to this that John's birth registration got overlooked (doubt it was a deliberate act).   He wasn't yet born on 1861 census (7/4/1861) when family were in Hulme, Lancashire and, like his siblings, he was baptised in their mothers birthplace of Whitehaven 7 months later on 24/11/1861, showing his parents as George Charles Richards and Hannah.   He is stated as her son on 1871 census, and George as his father when he married.

I might have had doubts if he hadn't been baptised either but he was!   

George Charles Richards and Hannah Shepherd married 1857 Whitehaven, eldest child Sarah Ann born and baptised there 1857, son George Chippendale born 1859 Bolton, baptised in Whitehaven 6/5/1860, in 1861 George and Hannah in Hulme, Lancashire (Chorlton District), with John born in Manchester sometime between7/4/1861 and 24/11/1861 (the latter when baptised at Whitehaven).  Maria Louisa was born 1865 Newcastle upon Tyne, Henry born 1867 Blythe, Northumberland and then back to Whitehaven where Alice born 1869 and where Hannah and the children remained (all 3 of these children baptised 21/11/1869).  Son William born 1871 Whitehaven but not baptised until 30/1/1876. 

I really don't think there is any doubt that Hannah was his mother.

Annette

         

[Girl Guide]

I have no doubts either Annette.   To me the evidence is overwhelming that John is the son of George and Hannah.

As we know it wasn't compulsory to register the birth of a child until 1874.  It is more than likely, as you say, that his birth registration got overlooked with the moving around the family did.

[Outlaws]

Thank you both so much for your help. I have now listed George & Hannah as the parents of John Richards.  You are all so knowledgeable and I have lots of info regarding Hannah’s parents as well.

Will you help me some other missing  relative?
John Robertson, born approx 1854 in Scotland. My great grandfather on my fathers side.  I know lots about him he married Elizabeth Pearson from Cupar Fife, I cant trace either the birth certificate or the marriage certificate
He is on the  1871/81/91 census   
I have all their children including my grandfather Harvey Young Robertson
I would love to know more about where he came from and who his parents are if you can give me some idea where to look. I am on ancestry & findmypast  thanks Outlaw