Found the passenger, but not the ship! (Completed)

[Koromo]

Kia ora

I am tracking an Edward Wright Brothers who emigrated to NZ in 1859 (from Liverpool) with his wife Elizabeth and one-year-old son.  I checked the online Auckland City Library records and found:

Edward W Brothers, vessel: 1859
Eliza Brothers, vessel: Shooting Star, 1859
Maria Brothers, vessel: Shooting Star, 1859

Edward did have a sister called Maria, so I guess she went too!

Question is, why does Edward not have a ship's name listed? I found a passenger list on an Oz website, and he is not there. Also, were the passengers' ages normally listed by any chance?

Moving twenty-ish years on: in 1877 in Napier, the aforementioned one-year-old son William Edward Brothers married Ann Collick born in Cornwall in ~1850. She must have travelled to NZ, but I can't find her on any passenger list. I'd really like to know if she appears on one with other family members - that way I might be able to trace her in Cornwall.

I am a NZer, but not living there, so am trying to do all this at some distance!

Many thanks
Koromo


Edited to add: I think I've worked out that the lack of Edward W Brothers' ship's name is a transcriber's error. If I search (at the Akd City Library online) on the ship Shooting Star, his name comes up.

And ... does anyone know if the Papakura cemetery records are online?

[spades]

Hi Koromo,

It doesn't look as though Parakura Cemetery is on-line, but there is a series of microfiche available indexed by area and cemetery at some libraries. If you tell me who you are looking for and what you know about them including estimated DoD I'll have a look for you next week .

The marriage reference for William Edward BROTHERS spells Ann COLLICKs surname as COLLIET. I can't find any passengers of either name on the microfiche series Passengers Vic AUS to NZ Ports so she appears not to have travelled on a vessel via Melbourne VIC to get to NZ.

Regards, riley

[Koromo]

Hello Riley

I  had a feeling that Ann Collick's name was going to be one of those with infinite spelling variations! Thanks for looking for her.

I had hoped I could browse the Papkura Cemetery names. I know very little about my grandparents' generation of the NZ Brothers line, but I have found out from a NZ Herald notice that my grandmother died at her residence in Mt Albert and yet was buried at Papakura. It seems a long way to go for the burial especially in those days, so I had wondered if other family members were buried there too. Thank you for your very kind offer of looking through the cemetery fiche, but it really is too much to ask when it is only a hunch on my part.

However, do you have access to the Intent to Marry notices? I would be very interested to read the Grandparent Brothers' notice as it may hold another clue or two. Their full details are:

Charles Edward HENRY BROTHERS
b. 8 Sep 1886, Newcastle, NSW, Australia
d. 10 Dec 1941

MARTHA Ann Elizabeth BATES
b. 29 Nov 1886, Onehunga
d. 17 Sep 1914, Mt Albert

They were married 24 July 1907, Kingsland, Auckland, according to LDS.

Apparently, C E Henry Brothers married again soon after Martha's death in 1914. I have no idea to whom, but they all seem to have been Aucklanders. If you were by chance to stumble across an ITM notice for this second marriage in perhaps 1915 or 1916, it would fill rather a large gap in my family knowledge.  If this isn't enough information for you to find it quickly, please don't waste any time on it.

Best wishes
Koromo

[spades]

Hi Koromo,

I was taught when I first started this game that a good genealogist follows up every lead (in my case, with the addendum 'eventually'). Serendipidity happens. I'll check your lead.

I'll check the ITM, which should be easy as you've provided a date and place, and look for the second marriage in the RGO marriage fiche. It won't give you a place, but it will narrow down the year, and you can search the NZ Herald for a marriage notice.

Once you get a date, a search for the ITM is the next step, as the problem with ITM's after 1881 is that they aren't indexed and require a search over the four quarters of the year - and in Auckland region that would be lots of pages!

Regards, riley

[Koromo]

Riley, thank you so much - I will await your findings, and follow your advice re the second marriage. I do hope you have time to track your own interests in between helping everyone else!

Kind regards
K.

[spades]

Hi Koromo,

I omitted to check Papakura Cemetery, but did find that your Charles BROTHERS second marriage was to a Spineo MOROS in 1915, folio no. 07723.

I found the Intention to Marry notice for his first marriage in 1907:

National Archives - Wellington Office.
Ref: BDM 20/66 Auckland p.123/658.
Notice dated 23 July 1907: Charles Edward Henry BROTHERS, a bachelor aged 20 years, occupation Millhand, dwelling at Auckland, length of residence 3 days, to marry Martha Ann Elizabeth BATES, a spinster aged 20, no dwelling place given, length of residence 8 mos (months), at the house of Mr W.H. Bates, Kingsland. Name and Relation of Person giving consent in case of a minor: Charles BROTHERS, father; William H. BATES, father.
Rev. E.O. (A?) Perry, Presbyterian.

Since I had time remaining I decided to look for the 1915 marriage, and found it:

Ref: BDM 20/90 Auckland p.301/1441.
Notice dated 4 November 1915: Charles Edward Henry BROTHERS, a widower aged 29 years, occupation Railway Guard, dwelling at Auckland, length of residence 6 mos (months), to marry Spineo MOROS, a spinster aged 19, dwelling at Auckland, length of residence 9 years, at St Judes Church, Avondale. Name and Relation of Person giving consent in case of a minor: Elizabeth MOROS, mother.
Rev. H.R. JECKS, Anglican.

The writing is a bit difficult to interpret in places, with ‘Henry’ appearing as ‘Hewnf’, so the Rev. Jecks could be ‘Jenks’, perhaps. And while Miss Moros residence isn't given, I suspect it was also Auckland, given that she had been there 9 years.

Regards, riley

[Koromo]

Ohhhh, Riley! You found both ITMs! I don't know what to say!   I am sitting here (in Cyprus, The Med!) in a state of utter astonishment , as if I've been transported back in time and place.

I keep coming back to the computer to read what you have found (and yes, I have saved it, and a backup!).  It has verified what little I knew, and provided me with so much more to go on. The name Spineo Moros is very unusual! Forget the Papakura Cemetery, this will keep me occupied for quite a while.

I cannot thank you enough. I really, really appreciate it.

Best regards
Koromo

[spades]

You're welcome. Serendipidity happens.

Cheers, riley

[spades]

Hi Koromo,

I checked the Cemetery fiche for Papakura Cemetery today, but I'm sorry to say there are no BROTHERS buried there.

riley