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Re: Found the passenger, but not the ship!
« Reply #9 on: Monday 29 August 05 20:01 BST (UK) »

Ah, so serendipity didn't strike this time!

It's a bit odd though, that not even Martha Brothers is listed. Perhaps the transcript of the NZ Herald death notice I found is wrong, or even the original newspaper compositor made the error.

I really appreciate that you took the time to check it out.

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Koromo

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Lewis: Llanfair Kilgeddin | Abergavenny | NZ
Stallworthy: Bucks. | Samoa | NZ
Brothers: Nottingham | NZ
Darling: Dunbar | Tahiti
Keat: St Minver | NZ
Bowles: Deal | NZ
Coaney: Bucks.
Jones: Brecon

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Re: Found the passenger, but not the ship! (Completed)
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 08:45 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if this is still a current dialogue but I have just come across it. I am a descendant of Edward Wright Brothers. and may be able to further the inquiry although I would like to first have some indication as to what prompts the inquiry and what relationships are involved. regards Benyate

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Re: Found the passenger, but not the ship! (Completed)
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 26 November 08 11:58 GMT (UK) »

Hello Benyate
Welcome to Rootschat  :D

I've learned quite a lot about Edward Wright Brothers since I started this thread, and have tracked his family back to the late 1700s in Nottingham and forward to many of his New Zealand descendants.

His son Charles Brothers (1865-1944) had a son Charles Edward Henry Brothers (1886-1941) who was my grandfather (from his first marriage to Martha Ann Elizabeth Bates).

I am very curious to know where you fit in to the Brothers ancestral line (does your RootsChat name provide a clue?).

I'm delighted that you've made contact.  :)
Koromo
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Lewis: Llanfair Kilgeddin | Abergavenny | NZ
Stallworthy: Bucks. | Samoa | NZ
Brothers: Nottingham | NZ
Darling: Dunbar | Tahiti
Keat: St Minver | NZ
Bowles: Deal | NZ
Coaney: Bucks.
Jones: Brecon

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Re: Found the passenger, but not the ship! (Completed)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 27 November 08 08:41 GMT (UK) »
Hello Koromo, Thanks for your reply. I know nothing about Rootschat which I stumbled on quite by accident and I'm not sure how much information one should give out on what appears to be a very public forum and whether steps can be taken to make it more confidential. Perhaps you can advise about this. I know nothing about any other branch of the Brothers line except my own and I look forward eagerly to any information you can give me. My initial interest was sparked when I started to investigate our ancestor Maria Brothers who was Edward Wright Brothers sister and is notable in early N.Z. history for becomng the wife of one of our  early quite famous pre Maori war missionaries, Benjamin Yate Ashwell. (hence Benyate, which is nothing like my real name but eveything else I tried seemed to be taken already!) At this point abour 4 months ago I hadn't even heard of Edward Wright Brothers, until further research revealed the male line that I come from. My grandmother was his daughter Maude Brothers who I suppose therefore was your grandfathers sister. She married to become Maude Lee. I think there may have been some interesting history from her younger days as they lived at Razorback in Bombay where General Cameron had set up fortified houses called Blockhouses from Miranda across to Patumahoe to help guard against any attempted Maori incursion toward Auckland.Razorback was important because it guarded the end of the Great South Road, which was later pushed on South to the Waikato River by General Cameron's troops to give military access to the Waikato area. Maria Brothers became a teacher further south at the Taupiri School which I think was started by Benjamin Ashwell. As with all of us I wish I'd listened more to my grandmother because my memories of what she said about these things are now very indistinct. She died when I was only 9 years old so I wasn't very interested. I am now 70 years old, male, almost retired and have one brother,younger. There are two other descendants of my generation still living but older than me, and a number of offspring whom would I suppose be the same generation as you. According to my information Edward Wright Brothers is buried at Purewa, not Papakura. That is probably enough about me for now. I live in Auckland. I have photos of my own Grandmother but no other family member of her generation or earlier. Look forward to your next communication.  regards Benyate.
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Re: Found the passenger, but not the ship! (Completed)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 27 November 08 09:40 GMT (UK) »

Hi Benyate

Benjamin Yate [Ashwell] was the person that sprang to my mind when I saw your RootsChat name, but then I got worried because as far as I knew he and Maria didn't have any children!  Have you come across the biographical details of Rev Ashwell in The Blain Biographical Directory of Anglican Clergy in the Pacific?

http://anglicanhistory.org/nz/blain_directory/

The second blue link on the left is a .pdf file which you can download to your computer and is an alphabetical listing of anglican clergymen.

Yes, Maud Frances Mary BROTHERS was a sister to my great-grandfather Charles (1865-1944) which I think makes us second cousins once removed.  Charles was born in NZ but married in New South Wales where all his children were born. They came back to NZ, then over to Australia again ... I think Charles was following the gold discoveries, rather like his father Edward Wright seemed to do after he'd left the 4th Waikato Militia.

When you have made three posts on RootsChat I will be able to send you a private message and give you my email address to contact me directly. I am happy to share what I know about about the BROTHERS — there's also a branch that ended up in Australia from Edward Wright's eldest brother Benjamin (1823-1895), but I've never found any descendants.

Kind regards
Koromo
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Lewis: Llanfair Kilgeddin | Abergavenny | NZ
Stallworthy: Bucks. | Samoa | NZ
Brothers: Nottingham | NZ
Darling: Dunbar | Tahiti
Keat: St Minver | NZ
Bowles: Deal | NZ
Coaney: Bucks.
Jones: Brecon

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Re: Found the passenger, but not the ship! (Completed)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 27 November 08 10:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Koromo, You obviously know far more than I and I look forward to getting the complete and probably more accurate picture of the family background. I've looked at the site you sent and I will certainly study it further. Most of what I know of Benjamin Ashwell is from the booklet "Te Ahiwera a man of Faith"by Mary Tagg. This should be my 3rd posting so perhaps the next reply can be direct. I am emailing from N.Z. and about to go to bed .Look forward to maybe a little more from you tomorrow. regards from (for now)Benyate