Interpretation Help, Please

[jenwren]

Hi Folks,
Hope I'm posting this in the right section... 
I know you're an intelligent, helpful bunch - good folk have assisted in the past.  My brick wall (one of them!), despite researching on an off for over a decade, is my 4th g-grandfather, Richard Haworth, born 1808-1811, depending on which document is used as reference, died 7 June 1868, buried 10 June 1868 in Lancashire, England.  Death notices appeared in England and Australia, where his son was living (where I live), and I have the death certificate, which says 58 when he died (no parents, naturally!).

There are many others (26 trees on 'that' site, to which I've subscribed, again) who have him born 6 April, parents as Matthew Haworth and Sarah Thick. 

For a while, I went with the masses, but it niggled that neither parents' names follow down through the main branch, or smaller branchlets (I've explored them all as far as I can).  Then, I came across  a transcript of a footnote, attached to the baptism of Richard, son of Matthew and Sarah.  This is where I need help, please.

"Footnote: 'I certify that Richard HOWARTH appeared before me and declared that he was born 6.00am Apr 6 1811 and produced a Family Bible with an ancient entry to that effecr' (sic) dated 3 Aug 1868."

Ignoring the name spelling (interchangeable even within families, depending on who did the recording, am I right in assuming the entry was made on the day of said Richard's visit?  Or am I wrong?

I'll be immensely grateful for others' take on this.

Jen

[Annette7]

I read it as the visit was made 3 August 1868 and, therefore, cannot be 'your' Richard who died 2 months before then.

Annette

[jenwren]

Thanks, Annette.  I read it as the same.

[Pheno]

Unless of course it was made by somebody else who needed confirmation of Richard's birth for something to do with the winding up of the estate.

Pheno

[Girl Guide]

Is this your Richard in 1861?  Living at 139, Park Road, Toxteth Park, West Derby, Lancashire

Wife is Ann, seven children listed along with MIL Amelia Roper

His occupation is given as sail maker employing 2 men and 2 boys - born Liverpool, Lancs

Does any of the above information match anything that appeared on the death certificate?

Registration district   West Derby
Archive reference   RG09
Piece number   2705
Folio   68
Page   12

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Can I ask about a baptism to Thomas and Betsey nee Brown 9.2.1810
It 's at St Nicholas.
Father a tailor of Gt Cross Hall St
Sister Sarah bapt 4.9.1811 could well be the Sarah Haworth witness to Richard's marriage.
She seems to marry at St James Toxteth 22.9.1835 to Ricjard Hallman Brown mariner.
She is of Walton Hill.You could compare the signatures.

Just a thought

Ciderdrinker

[Girl Guide]

There is a baptism for a Sarah Haworth born 3/4/1812 baptised 13/5/1812, parents Matthew and Sarah maiden name T(hr)ick.   Father's occupation cordwainer.

These are the same parents for the baptism of Richard born 6/4/1811, bap 14/8/1811.  Father's occupation boot maker which is the same as cordwainer.  Mother's maiden name Thick

[Annette7]

Hi
Can I ask about a baptism to Thomas and Betsey nee Brown 9.2.1810
It 's at St Nicholas.
Father a tailor of Gt Cross Hall St
Sister Sarah bapt 4.9.1811 could well be the Sarah Haworth witness to Richard's marriage.
She seems to marry at St James Toxteth 22.9.1835 to Ricjard Hallman Brown mariner.
She is of Walton Hill.You could compare the signatures.

Just a thought

Ciderdrinker

Ciderdrinker - agree with this possibility BUT parents are Richard Haworth and Betsey nee Brown - they married 26/3/1809 Liverpool St. Peter and at the time of the marriage he was a Pawn Broker.

Another possibility is Richard Haworth bp.18/6/1809 Liverpool son of Thomas Haworth (Merchant) and Catherine/Katherine Robinson who married 8/12/1802 Holy Trinity, Liverpool.

Both of these marriages by Licence.

Annette

[Girl Guide]

On the marriage certificate for Richard Haworth and Ann Roper on 31.3.1835, there are two witnesses these being Sarah Haworth and Edward Hilton.

Marriage was at Walton on the Hill.