Austrian Divorce/Annulment.

[dave1948]

Hi Guys,

I am tracing a Divorce/Annulment. 

The marriage (which I have a copy of) was in Vienna, Austria in 1942 of Karl Kaminsky to Kattalina Vogl.  According to Austrian Law any Mental illness should be declared at the time of the marriage, but was not.  Kattalina tried to kill their 2 children with a knife, and as Karl was unaware of her mental illness he obtained an Annulment sometime between 1945 and 1948. Being Catholic, I have been informed, this may have been through the Vatican.

Does anyone know where I can find/get a copy of the Divorce/Annulment.  Would it be in Austria or Vatican City?

Many thanks,  Dave.

[davecapps]

You could register on this very good forum:  https://forum.ahnenforschung.net
and post your query in the Austrian part: Österreich und Südtirol Genealogie, neues Thema

here´s the registration proceedure: https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/showthread.php?t=38885

They speak english!

otherwise i could translate your query and post it for you.

Dave

[Regorian]

In 1942, Austria was the Ostmark of the Third Reich 1938 to 1945. Mental illness may well have been a notifiable disability before 1938 but certainly 1938 to 1945. 

[dave1948]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your replies. I will certainly try that link and see how far I get. Should I need your offer of a translation, I would appreciate it, thank you.

Regards,  Dave.

[carinthiangirl]

Can you post the marriage document, to see WHICH Standesamt it happened in Vienna 1942?
Or state the name of Standesamt (district, street) where they married.

Civil records started in 1938. It must be a civil thing, so about a Law Court would think.
But if you have the Standesamt you can ask there, where to find the Annulment.
Assume they must have the info to it and also a note.

Why did you not ask at the above mentioned FORUM?
I have seen no thread with the questions like here.

[davecapps]

dave1948 did post his query in Ahnenforschung.net

"requests in English"
https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/showthread.php?t=182751
144 hits

it might have been more effective if he had posted in the Austrian part
https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/forumdisplay.php?f=26

Dave

[carinthiangirl]

Ok, thanks Dave.
Looked only at the Austrian part.
No idea why he did not follow your recommendation to post it in the Austria section.
If, then it knows most likely someone from Austria (I´ from there ), because a divorce there is certainly not a matter of the Vatican but is done by an Austrian court. Someone is only going to the Vatican, who wants to marry again a 2nd time in church with a new partner. Vatican is not responsible to civil marriages in a state. So how said before he has to go in contact with the Standesamt, where the marriage happened in 1942.
They must know more would think. 
In the list in this Link he can search for the Standesamt which is needed.
List Standesämter: https://www.wien.gv.at/advuew/internet/AdvPrSrv.asp?Layout=stelle&Type=K&stellecd=2006061211245513&STELLE=Y

[carinthiangirl]

This clears question to the Standesamt.
It is Standesamt Wien-Döbling/ Civil registry office Vienna-Döbling, which is to reach via Standesamt Wien-Ottakring NOW:
https://www.wien.gv.at/advuew/internet/AdvPrSrv.asp?Layout=stelle&Type=K&stellecd=2006061211220655&STELLE=Y

Josef Karl Kaminsky
born Sept 27, 1919, adress Rokitanskygasse 12
Baptism Oct 5, 1919, parish church Hernals, 17th district Vienna
Father: Karl Kaminsky, Buchbinder Assistant, cath., born 15.3.1886 in Vienna, parish Meidling, responsible to authority of Piskal, Comitat Baranya, Hungary, son of Maria Kaminsky
Mother: Lötz Adele,  cath., born 13.3.1895 in Vienna, parish Lichtenthal, daughter of Mathilde Lötz

Notes:
1) was returned to the Roman Catholic Church on December 7, 1942 in the Parishchurch of Kalasantiner, 15th district with the permission of the Archbishop's Ordinariate. (so he left any time before the church, how it was often usual THAT times)
2) 1st marriage on December 19, 1942 at Standesamt/civil registry office Wien-Döbling under Familienbuch 511/42. 
3) Church wedding with Katharian Vogl at parishchurch Kalasantiner on December 19, 1942

4) According to information of the Magistrate districts office (16th district) Z3 / 977/1922 left with Mrs. Adele Kaminsky, nee Lötz the roman catholic church on Sept, 14, 1922 (parishchurch Hernals);
re-entered 1923

http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/01-116/?pg=155

[carinthiangirl]

The marriage at church would be to find at Parishchurch Kalasantiner = St.Josef Church in 14th district Penzing (also known as Pfarre Reindorf). As Civil records started in 1938, the church files not longer after that time to find online.
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/14-st-josef-kalasantinerpfarre-reinlgasse/

If liked a marriage certificate it is to get here (direct family line), maybe it would have the note to the divorce of civil office. Or you ask only, if they can see a note at the marriage in the churchbook for that: https://reindorf.eu/kontakt/

Video of church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niL76J0bwYM