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John & Thomas Lovell
« on: Monday 28 October 19 00:42 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find a John Lovell and his son Thomas S Lovell, but I can not find any records for them in Lancashire.

Per Thomas' death record,

Thomas S. Lovell
Birth Date: 25 July 1845
Birthplace: Lankashire, England
Death: 5 December 1916
Death Location: Vermilion County, Illinois, US
Fathers Name: John Lovell

John & Thomas immigrated to the US, probably via NYC, sometime between 1845 and 1860.

Per the 1860 census:
John & Thomas were living in Plato, Kane County, Illinois, USA with a Lucia Lovell born abt 1816 in New York and Emma Lovell born abt 1849 New Jersey. John's birth was estimated as 1813.

Thomas married Frances Virginia Lyon on May 21, 1868 in Kane County, Illinois.

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Re: John & Thomas Lovell
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 October 19 02:29 GMT (UK) »
A possibility In 1851 there is a

John LOVILL (as transcribed on Ancestry)  labourer 34 b Preston Lancashire
Louisa  wife 36 b ditto
Hannah dau 9 b Hamilton Yorkshire
Thomas son 8 b Doncaster Yorkshire

Haven’t followed them through yet
Indexed as LEVILL on FindMyPast


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Re: John & Thomas Lovell
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 October 19 02:38 GMT (UK) »
Do we know what the ‘S’ stands for?

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Re: John & Thomas Lovell
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 October 19 02:47 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Jamjar on Monday 28 October 19 02:38 GMT (UK)
Do we know what the ‘S’ stands for?

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According to his marriage he was Thomas Smith Lovel.

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Re: John & Thomas Lovell
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Re: John & Thomas Lovell
« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 October 19 03:03 GMT (UK) »
However 1910 census says year of immigration 1861, which can’t be correct if on 1860 census, but suggests sometime close to 1860

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RJN-F57?i=54&cc=1727033&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMKXG-THG

Added. I think it also says he has been naturalised. Would that documentation be useful?

Added further.  no it is not.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XKGZ-9FQ

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Re: John & Thomas Lovell
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 October 19 03:28 GMT (UK) »
1900 census says arrived 1855.

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Re: John & Thomas Lovell
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 October 19 09:40 GMT (UK) »
'Thomas S. Lovell
Birth Date: 25 July 1845'

If that birth date is accurate, then born September quarter 1845 (and in Lancashire)

Could he have been born as Smith?

Added:
Other censuses give other ages, but keep to July?

Lovell is not a common Lancashire surname.

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Re: John & Thomas Lovell
« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 October 19 10:30 GMT (UK) »
With the different birth years and immigration years, is it possible there were actually two Thomas S Lovells living in the area at the same time?

The specific one I am looking for is the father of Vincent Smith Lovell, born August 31 1875 in Kane County Illinois and died December 22 1965 in Vermilion County Illinois. This Thomas likely enlisted in the military in Geneva, Illl in 1863, was discharged in 1865, and married Frances in 1868 in Kane County, Ill. This one definitely was born in July 1845 in Lankashire and died in December 1916 in Vermilion Illinois.

I have Vincent living with parents Thomas s Lovell and Frances Lovell, as well as siblings Fred J and Chauncy and servent Annie Lester (of England) in the 1880 census in Elgin, Kane, Illinois.

The 1900 census shows a Thomas Lovell (immigrated in 1955 and married in 1871) with a Fanny V (born in Mass.) with children Chancey R, Percey, and William in Wisconsin. The 1905 census shows Thomas with Frances (born in Conn) living with the same children Chauncy, Charles P (likely Percey), and William at the same Wisconsin city.

I think they moved back to Illinois by 1910, with the census showing a Thomas F, Francis V, Channcey R, Charles P, and Geo Wm in Sangamon, Illinois. But they have Thomas as immigrated in 1861.


Frances Lovell is widowed and living with her son Vincent in Vermilion County Illinois per the 1920 census.
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