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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 October 19 17:02 BST (UK) »
Going backwards
1841 census Stanstead MountFitchet Essex
Ambrose  Roles 40 (transcribed as Rober) shoemaker
Mary 35
Christopher 18
William 15
Carolina 11
SARAH 8
Mary 2
all born county

Sarah Anderson 1871 census age 29 s/b 39

I went by the witness at her wedding Rhoda Marie Roles

1861 Bow St Mary Middlesex
Ambrose Roles 62 born Great Hallingbury Essex
Mary 60 wife born Farnham Essex
Mary Ann daughter 20 born Stanstead Essex
Rhoda Maria daughter 15 born Bishops Stortford Herts
Augusta Ellen Mylae? Role granddaughter 2

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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #10 on: Monday 14 October 19 18:12 BST (UK) »
Going backwards
1841 census Stanstead MountFitchet Essex
Ambrose  Roles 40 (transcribed as Rober) shoemaker
Mary 35
Christopher 18
William 15
Carolina 11
SARAH 8
Mary 2
all born county

Sarah Anderson 1871 census age 29 s/b 39

I went by the witness at her wedding Rhoda Marie Roles

1861 Bow St Mary Middlesex
Ambrose Roles 62 born Great Hallingbury Essex
Mary 60 wife born Farnham Essex
Mary Ann daughter 20 born Stanstead Essex
Rhoda Maria daughter 15 born Bishops Stortford Herts
Augusta Ellen Mylae? Role granddaughter 2

The Augusta Ellen Role is the daughter of Sarah Roles/Anderson. She's in the 1881 census living with her mother sarah and Charles. She was married in 1879 (to Thomas Chandless), but I'm trying to find out what happened to her mother and stepfather, Sarah and Charles Anderson.  ???
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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #11 on: Monday 14 October 19 18:33 BST (UK) »
Ive found a possible match...but not 100%

106 Usher Road, Bow, London.
Charles Anderson 45 (b1836) General labourer born Waltham Abbey, Essex
Sarah Anderson 40 (b1840) born Middlesex
Frederick Anderson 2 born Old Ford, Middlesex
Margaret Fawsdirk visitor
Reuben Fawsdirk  visitors son.

What do you think?

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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #12 on: Monday 14 October 19 18:42 BST (UK) »
The census for 1871 has Charles Andersons place of birth as Essex Swaffham
The 1881 has his place of birth as Waltham Abbey, Essex.
Is it similar enough to be a mistake?
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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #13 on: Monday 14 October 19 18:44 BST (UK) »
Hi what father did Augusta give at her marriage to Thomas Chandless, as I see from the two children on 1891 they show mothers maiden name Walker.
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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #14 on: Monday 14 October 19 19:19 BST (UK) »
Hi what father did Augusta give at her marriage to Thomas Chandless, as I see from the two children on 1891 they show mothers maiden name Walker.
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With regards to Augusta, Ive no idea where the WALKER surname comes from. Her original surname was Roles. She kept the surname Roles after her mother married Charles Anderson but sometime between 1871 and 1879 she changes her surname to Walker and changes her middle name from Ellen Mullen to Ellinor.
When she married Thomas Chandless she didn't give her fathers name. In fact he had to sign a licence a few days beforehand to swear there wasn't anyone to authorise the marriage as she was under age.
When she later marries William McBurnie (in 1901) she puts her fathers name as Charles Mellon (Barrister). That's a whole other mystery to solve!!!

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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #15 on: Monday 14 October 19 19:52 BST (UK) »
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as her daughter, Augusta Ellen Roles had the surname Walker when she married in 1879. She also had no one to authorise the marriage as she was under 21.

Sorry I thought Augusta was down as a niece of Sarah in 1871 not a daughter.

Have you got the birth for Augusta to confirm her sister Mary Ann wasn't her mother?  Apologies if you already have this.  I remember the names from another topic so will go refresh myself.
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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #16 on: Monday 14 October 19 19:55 BST (UK) »
I linked to the previous topic at reply #8. Lots of risk of duplication here.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help with Census 1881
« Reply #17 on: Monday 14 October 19 20:10 BST (UK) »
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as her daughter, Augusta Ellen Roles had the surname Walker when she married in 1879. She also had no one to authorise the marriage as she was under 21.

Sorry I thought Augusta was down as a niece of Sarah in 1871 not a daughter.

Have you got the birth for Augusta to confirm her sister Mary Ann wasn't her mother?  Apologies if you already have this.  I remember the names from another topic so will go refresh myself.


Yes, her mother is definitely Sarah Roles. I've got the workhouse register and the birth certificate. Not sure why she's down as niece... family trait as Augusta later puts her daughter down as her sister in various census.
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