Unusual brick wall - James Gordon and Elisabeth Duncan

[Forfarian]

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about her burial. It's not on the record, and I couldn't find it on deceasedonline.com.

DeceasedOnline is a commercial web site which is set up to provide a service to councils by digitising and putting online their burial records, and to members of the public by making the information available for a fee. It is not an official repository of information, and it does not have agreements with every council in the country.

As far as I know, the City of Dundee has not signed up to put its burial records on DeceasedOnline. You have to contact the city council direct.

It's not usual for the place of burial to be on a death certificate - this information was only recorded on death certificates from 1855 to 1860-ish.

[Forfarian]

There are two marriage records on Scotland's People between James Gordon and Elizabeth Duncan, with several months between each.

I was a bit puzzled by this, but whwn I checked in index, the two records are in Marykirk on 12 February 1819 and Fordoun on 6 March 1819. That isn't 'several months' apart, it's just 22 days apart. It may well be that the Marykirk record refers to the first time the banns were proclaimed, and the Fordoun one may contain the actual date of marriage. Three weeks between first proclamation and wedding isn't unusual.

[sdgillen]

Does the DC give Helen Duncan, M.S. Smith or Helen Smith with no M.S.?

Annie

Helen Duncan, M.S. Smith

[sdgillen]

So I'm still not sure who this Jean Brand person is, and why she's her mother at Elizabeth's baptism, but Helen Smith is her mother at death.

[Rosinish]

"the informant was her son in law, David Mowat"

Could he have picked up the question of 'mother' wrong & given his own mother's name/maiden name?

I've often seen wrong info. on DCs where in-laws or g/children are the informants i.e. not unusual.

Annie

[Dundee]

However, there is a late November 1798 birth/baptism in Fordoun, where only her father James is shown on the actual baptism record. Before clicking on buy/view, the parents' names are listed: James Duncan and Jean Brand.

Are you saying that they have indexed a baptism with a mother's name, but no such name appears on the original record?  Have you asked SP what is going on there?

Debra 

[sdgillen]

"the informant was her son in law, David Mowat"

Could he have picked up the question of 'mother' wrong & given his own mother's name/maiden name?

I've often seen wrong info. on DCs where in-laws or g/children are the informants i.e. not unusual.

Annie

No, his mother was Margaret Stewart

[sdgillen]

However, there is a late November 1798 birth/baptism in Fordoun, where only her father James is shown on the actual baptism record. Before clicking on buy/view, the parents' names are listed: James Duncan and Jean Brand.

Are you saying that they have indexed a baptism with a mother's name, but no such name appears on the original record?  Have you asked SP what is going on there?

Debra 

They said that assuming I have the same Elizabeth Duncan for both records, then the only possibility is that the informant made some sort of mistake regarding the mother.

[Rosinish]

"However, there is a late November 1798 birth/baptism in Fordoun, where only her father James is shown on the actual baptism record. Before clicking on buy/view, the parents' names are listed: James Duncan and Jean Brand"


"Are you saying that they have indexed a baptism with a mother's name, but no such name appears on the original record?  Have you asked SP what is going on there?

Debra  "


"They said that assuming I have the same Elizabeth Duncan for both records, then the only possibility is that the informant made some sort of mistake regarding the mother."

This doesn't answer the question of whether Jean Brand is named as mother on the image of the baptism of Elizabeth in 1798?

Can you quote exactly what's written on that baptism please including witnesses?

Annie