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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #126 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 09:07 BST (UK) »
Long time since I posted anything here, but I returned to looking through the Barretts.

First off I found a Richard Barrett who relates to the Shevlanes:
Richard Barrett (1844-?) = Margaret Murphy (1849-?)
Mary was daughter of Pat Murphy of Bunnawillin. This Pat Murphy was also father of Patrick Murphy (1835-1915) who was father to Bridget Murphy (1871-1953) = John Shevlane (1870-1954). I'm not sure if this Richard Barrett is the one who connects to Anne Barrett though. This one was from Cross, and his father was Michael Barrett. I find a Michael Barrett of Cross dying in 1884, aged 86. He'd have been born in 1798, which makes him an older father to Richard - could he be his grandfather? The informant on the death is Catherine Barrett, Michael's daughter, also of Cross. I also find another Richard Barrett of Cross, dying in 1886 aged 70. Could be an uncle of Richard (1844)?

The Toorglass Barretts seem to be much clearer. I have:
(1) Joseph Barrett (1800-1874) = Ellen (?)
(2) Anthony Barrett (1801-1881) - Bachelor
(3) Richard Barrett = Nancy (?)

These three men would seem to perhaps be brothers, since we find Richard and Nancy as sponsors to Martin Togher and Catherine Gibbons one year, Joseph and Ellen as sponsors the other year. What I do wonder is whether these Barretts connect to the Richard Barrett who was married to Honor Gibbons - since it could mean Catherine Gibbons was a relation of theirs? As yet, I have not found any records for this Richard Barrett or for Honor Gibbons.

Possible record for Richard's wife Nancy, as Anne Barrett (1799-1879), in Toorglass. Informant John Barrett, probably a son. She was already a widow at that point.

In Tallagh, as said earlier in this forum, we find:
Richard Barrett (1835-1916) = Honor Walsh (1837-1911)
Certification shows they moved to nearby Bunnahowen. Richard died in 1916, aged 81. Honor died in 1911, aged 74. Their son James who was born in 1855 acted as informant on both records. Unfortunately, I still can't find a father's name for this Richard. Bunnahowen is also very close to the Shevlanes, so it seems he'd be the most likely match for Anne Barrett's brother.

The other Richard Barrett was in Shragh, and married to a woman named Mary. Mentioned earlier in this forum also. They had a daughter Bridget in 1846. No trace on the records as yet. He could be another match for Anne's brother, given the location.

In Geesala, yet another Richard Barrett appears:
Richard Barrett (1847-1933) = Mary Donohue
This Richard was son of Michael Barrett (1820-1900).

I wonder how they all connect!

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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #127 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 11:44 BST (UK) »
Hello again,
I have just tried to read over this long thread and I am still confused, as I remarked before.
I may have misunderstood but are you looking at your own line or are you finding others with similar names and trying to fit them in. The surnames you have are very common in the wider area so, if you have not already done so it might be beneficial to start with the ones you have for definite.

Are your family, the Shevlanes from Briska, Bangor?

Where do the Barretts fit in to your own line?

Where are your family in the censuses?

Lastly, and perhaps more importantly, are you looking for discussions on the points you raise or just posting for reference?
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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #128 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 14:37 BST (UK) »
I'm interested in expanding my own line outwards.

The thread is a bit long, and it goes a while back, so I'll explain the connection. Anne Barrett was married to Michael Shevlane (c.1819-1900) of Shragh. Michael Shevlane and Anne Barrett are my ancestors. Richard Barrett appears as a sponsor for one of their children. I'm assuming Richard is a brother of Anne. As to my point about Richard Barrett and Margaret Murphy, of Cross, it is clear that Margaret was the aunt of Bridget Murphy who married John Shevlane - the son of Michael Shevlane and Anne Barrett. Her father is listed as Pat Murphy of Bunnawillin, who was father of Patrick Murphy (1835-1915) and grandfather of Bridget Murphy (1871-1953) = John Shevlane.

While the surname is common, I've now identified only a few Richard Barretts - and they are highlighted in my most recent post. I didn't factor in those matches which lay far outside the area. That is, I'm only concerning myself with: Shragh, Bunnahowen, Bunnawillin, Tallagh, Muingmore, Toorglass, Cross, Geesala. I've also hammered out a rough idea of Barretts in Derrynameel. While it's not impossible earlier generations moved from further out, e.g. Castlebar, my entire family seems to have stayed in this general vicinity.

While I'm at it, I should re-iterate the other Richard:
Richard Barrett (1849-1894) = Anne Murphy (1855-1907)
He came from Muingmore but emigrated to the United States. He was son of Anthony Barrett and Bridget Kelly.

This might seem quite pedantic, but going through all these records has helped a lot. I have found also that Richard (who went to America) had siblings in Muingmore; John, Anthony, Patrick, Bridget. I note that on my other side, an aunt named Margaret Kelly (1874-1905) had children outside of marriage with one John Barrett. She was from Muingmore herself, and it now seems likely that her partner was none other than John Barrett, son of Anthony Barrett and Bridget Kelly. The different families I've been researching are beginning to link up, and collapse into a broader tree, as the detail is clarified.

Should re-iterate also that Michael Shevlane and Anne Barrett were 2nd/3rd cousins or cousins once removed, given the consanguinity mentioned on their marriage (Church register). This could be pushed if we knew Anne's parents and grandparents. I do note that Edward Shevlane - who seems to have been Michael's father - is listed online as being married to Honora Barrett. Perhaps Honora was Anne's great-aunt?

Likewise, if we assume the names are handed down, I'm wondering how the families in the general area I outlined above find a common ancestry? I've just taken Richard because it seemed distinctive, and it appeared on the Shevlane records. For instance, might we speculate that Michael Barrett of Geesala was son of Michael Barrett of Cross (1798-1884)? This would perhaps be a strong possibility, as Michael Barrett in Geesala had a son Richard. While Michael Barrett of Cross also had a son Richard (or grandson - depending on the generations). I'm not too sure about the Richard Barrett in Shragh yet, who was married to Mary (?). I did find a death of Rose Barrett (1820-1900) in Shragh, and she had a son John Barrett.

Sorry if this is too complicated! I'm going down a rabbit hole with this one.

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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #129 on: Wednesday 31 March 21 17:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks  ;)

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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #130 on: Saturday 10 April 21 01:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Tony,

I don't know if you've seen this but thought it may be of interest...

RICHARD SHEVLANE
Date of Death 1915
Group Registration ID   5479001
SR District/Reg Area Belmullet
Deceased Age at Death 71

You may have to post on the deciphering board as I couldn't make out the son's name which will help in identifying the wife/mother?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05257/4457789.pdf

Have you also looked at these?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qii/

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #131 on: Saturday 10 April 21 01:22 BST (UK) »

http://map.geohive.ie/mobile.html

You will find it really useful, I think.

Click on the menu (three bars, top right) and select Data Catalogue

Then Base information and mapping.

Scroll down to Historic Map 6ins B &W

It’s great.

Thanks Heywood...

Great map, best I've seen yet!

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #132 on: Saturday 10 April 21 06:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks Annie.
I don’t know where I found that map but have now bookmarked it. I just had an enjoyable time looking at the various views of my family’s homes.  :)

I think the son’s name there is Pat. This looks like the family in 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Glenamoy/Muingingaun/710113/

There are some references to this Richard earlier in the thread - around post #16.

It is odd though, as, if that is ‘son Pat’, Richard states 9 children born and six children living on the census. That shows son John and 5 daughters though.

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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #133 on: Saturday 10 April 21 06:50 BST (UK) »
Maybe a longshot but not impossible as many people were unsure of the wording in 1911...

Did Richard think it meant 'living at home' as opposed to being alive  :-\

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Shevlane Origins
« Reply #134 on: Saturday 10 April 21 06:52 BST (UK) »

I think the son’s name there is Pat. This looks like the family in 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Glenamoy/Muingingaun/710113/


Agree with heywood, I see Pat.

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