brick wall for BAMFORD

[mme marple]

Very interesting links again.
Many thanks

[mme marple]

I've had so much new info to go at thanks very much everyone.
The 1861 census with Elizabeth niece is great and totally new.
I'm hoping as a butcher I should be able to find William by some trade documents and then try and sort the families out a bit because they all seem to have got a bit muddled up.

[trish1120]

Marriage;
23 Feb 1856, St James, Wednesbury
JOSEPH Bamford, 34, Widower, Puddler, Father THOMAS Bamford a Puddler
Hannah McGUIRE, 40, Widow, Father SAMUEL Bamford a Butcher
Witnesses Samuel and Unice Bamford

Earlier Marriage to Harriet MASON 31 Jul 1843, both Widowed age 22/23
His Father Thomas a Puddler and hers Joseph PRICE a Horse dealer

1st Marriage to Ellen LANGLEY 10 May 1841

ELLEN buried 08 Mar 1843 age 22

1841 Census Joseph is living with the Langleys
Its strange as his Wife is down as Ellen Langley even though they married before Census date 6 June.

1861 Census
So Elizabeth 1843 may be the Neice of either Joseph or Hannah as the were both Bamfords at Birth.

Trish

[trish1120]

SAMUEL Bamford, Father THOMAS married Eunice MORRIS 16 Oct 1848

[mme marple]

Oh my word all these Bamfords marrying Bamfords  and having such busy personal lives .. no wonder its hard to keep track of them.
I've read that puddlers had a very short life expectancy and a flu virus wiped out thousands, I guess the survivors just kept going remarrying.
I'm wondering if the 1871 census which I haven't personally seen there is
Sidney Bamford and his second wife Mary Ann (ex Kelly/Kelley) they are living in Tipton with his and her children.  After Thomas Bamford 13 son Tipton, the next name written was too difficult to read but the age fits with the elusive Esther and it is marked as a daughter (even though it would be a granddaughter..) Could anyone with access to the census check it out for me please?

[mme marple]

Trish thank you so much for all this info. Its all very exciting if slightly confusing like doing a massive jigsaw puzzle of the sky !! Very satisfying when you get a bit that fits into another though.

[Treetotal]

Do you mean this family:

   
Name   Age
Sidney Bamford   48
Mary Ann Bamford   48
Hannah Bamford   16
Thomas Bamford   13
Asenah Bamford   6/12
Thomas Kelly   16
James Kelly   13
Enoch Kelly   5

Mary Ann is a bit old to have a 6 month old Daughter but she could be Hannah's Daughter?

Carol

[Treetotal]

I think this is her:

Births Dec 1870   
BAMFORD    Asnah        Dudley    6c   30    

Carol

[mme marple]

Oh I hadn't though about Hannah..There goes my brilliant idea!
What an unusal name though, its sounds very exotic for Tipton!
Thanks for checking that out though.