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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 06 October 19 08:53 BST (UK) »
Sorry, not quite sure what your problem is  :-\  St Leonard, Shoreditch is the adjacent parish to St Matthew, Bethnal Green.

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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 06 October 19 09:04 BST (UK) »
I know where St Leonards and St Matthews are, I walked from St Dunstans to St Lukes once (in the middle of the London Marathon!) via St Matthews, St Leonards, Christ Church, St Sepulchre ( not necessarily in that order, but approx). Although people walked greater distances than we tend to now, carrying a baby further than necessary, and constantly giving the same incorrect address make me question if something else  was going on, that local knowledge might help with.
Bill, Shropshire
Cox, Nottingham, Maidenhead, West London
Donne, Carmarthen London & Kent
Holloway Medway, Kent
Hepple, Northumberland
Hurrian, North Kent, SE London
Lutman, Sussex
Newcomb, Corby, Lincs, Southwark, Clerkenwell
Orange Normandy East London
Proudlock, Northumberland
Shipley, Northumberland
Staples, City of London, Holborn
Sweeting, Suffolk, London, Surrey
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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 06 October 19 09:16 BST (UK) »
To PhilipSearching re Robson's and 1842 Directories: The number of wood working businesses in NIY could explain why Joseph Orange gives the address. He was a cabinet maker and later had his business in York Street BG. Silversmithing was very common in Clerkenwell and the previous generation of Sweetings hung out around St Lukes. Only a step up the road(s) to St Leonards but why New Inn Yard.....
Bill, Shropshire
Cox, Nottingham, Maidenhead, West London
Donne, Carmarthen London & Kent
Holloway Medway, Kent
Hepple, Northumberland
Hurrian, North Kent, SE London
Lutman, Sussex
Newcomb, Corby, Lincs, Southwark, Clerkenwell
Orange Normandy East London
Proudlock, Northumberland
Shipley, Northumberland
Staples, City of London, Holborn
Sweeting, Suffolk, London, Surrey
Wilson, Marylebone, Fulham, London

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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 06 October 19 12:21 BST (UK) »
Quote from: jacqueline  cox on Saturday 05 October 19 15:41 BST (UK)
Why are so many of my silversmith Sweeting and weaver Orange ancestors who lived in Bethnal Green baptised in St Leonards, Shoreditch  and claim to live in New Inn Yard? Other records prove it is  untrue. What advantage was there?
What was special about New Inn Yard? If you don't know, where can I look?

Quote from: jacqueline  cox on Saturday 05 October 19 16:29 BST (UK)
These baptisms are both sides of 1800 to the mid 1830s. I have suspected for 15 odd years that the Shoreditch address, NIY, in St Leonard's parish was where the fathers worked, but they lived in St Matthews parish in Bethnal Green.

Quote from: philipsearching on Saturday 05 October 19 19:31 BST (UK)
FamilySearch has many SWEETING and ORANGE BMDs - do yours link to James SWEETING and Mary Ann ORANGE (tree on FamilySearch)?
If St Leonards Shoreditch PRs have the address as New Inn Yard where does the information that they lived in Bethnal Green come from (are the "other records" reliable sources)? 

Quote from: jacqueline  cox on Saturday 05 October 19 22:43 BST (UK)
.........the thrupence is not the reason why my Sweetings and Oranges - James Sweeting and Joseph Orange claimed to live in Shoreditch when they lived in BG. I have had all the census returns and baptismal records concerned.........

Now I'm confused. (It doesn't take much to confuse me!)

Baptism records up to the 1830s are before the first useful census of 1841.  If the baptisms prior to 1841 give New Inn Yard as the address, what are the sources for the families living in Bethnal Green?

If censuses (1841 onwards) give the family address in Bethnal Green were they still having children baptised at St Leonard Shoreditch?

Where did family marriages and burials take place?

Philip
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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 06 October 19 13:00 BST (UK) »
I have been reading this thread with interest.  :)

Good point Philip. Do you think it might help if Jacqueline can give a list of each:

Event, place, abode noted on PR, date, actual address where they lived ....

(eg baptism, St Leonards, NIY, 1830, Bethnal Green)

It might help to look at the events laid out in order to try to understand. :-\

Like BB I didn't really understand what the issue was with the family using a possibly larger, grander church in a neighbouring parish, and put it down to just personal preference. Or a nicer vicar perhaps.  ;)

I wouldn't be unusual for families to live "above the shop", or some addresses may be residences above with commercial/business on ground level (which may still be the case today).

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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 06 October 19 13:23 BST (UK) »
They're not the only family living in New Inn Yard and having children baptised at St Leonard.

Charles Sweeting, baptised 19 August 1832 - son of James and Mary.

Same day has baptisms of Thomas Frost, son of Thomas and Ann, and Eliza Pamela, daughter of George and Sarah Downes - both with address as new Inn Yard.

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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 06 October 19 14:02 BST (UK) »
New Inn Street was very long, NIY was off it. Property belonged to Bateman (see Bateman's Buildings) I think Woods Buildings and King John's Ct were all part of the Warren. 100s of baptisms. Including some of Mary (Sophia)'s siblings. I'm off to check my A_Zs of Georgian, Regency and Victorian London; haven't looked for years.
Then to look at Joseph and Susanna's children inc Mary Sophia, born Curtain Rd Shoreditch 1804 bapt 1805.
Bill, Shropshire
Cox, Nottingham, Maidenhead, West London
Donne, Carmarthen London & Kent
Holloway Medway, Kent
Hepple, Northumberland
Hurrian, North Kent, SE London
Lutman, Sussex
Newcomb, Corby, Lincs, Southwark, Clerkenwell
Orange Normandy East London
Proudlock, Northumberland
Shipley, Northumberland
Staples, City of London, Holborn
Sweeting, Suffolk, London, Surrey
Wilson, Marylebone, Fulham, London

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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 06 October 19 14:29 BST (UK) »
OK, St Leonard, Shoreditch - 30 September 1821 baptism for Caroline Orange - address given as Woods Buildings.  Same day is a baptism of Ann Delaforce - address given as New Inn Yard.
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Re: baptised with New Inn Yard, Shoreditch addresses but lived in Bethnal Green
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 06 October 19 14:55 BST (UK) »
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
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