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Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« on: Tuesday 01 October 19 12:36 BST (UK) »
Septimus is my great-grandfather. This is the information I have so far:

Born in Westoe, Durham 1857/8. I am confident that Septimus is the same person as Arthur Septimus Thompson mentioned in some resources.

1861 census (taken in South Shields) shows: father William Thomas Thompson, mother Margaret, siblings M.A. Thompson (aged 14), Jane (aged 13), F.H. Thompson (aged 11) Edward (aged 4), Matthew (aged 4), Septimus (aged 1).

1871 census (taken in South Shields) shows: Margaret Thompson (aged 55, retired farmer), Robert (aged 27, a timber merchant's clerk), Foster Hewison (aged 21, an engine fitter at Works), Edward (aged 19, a pupil teacher), Matthew (aged 14, a clerk at Chemical Works), Septimus (aged 11, scholar).

1881 census (taken in South Shields) shows: Margaret Thompson (aged 64), Edward (aged 29, labourer at Glass Works), Septimus (aged 21, butcher), Isabella (daughter-in-law, aged 26), Robert (grandson, aged 5), John (grandson, aged 3)' William (grandson, aged 1).

1883 South Shields register records Septimus as a butcher (address 40 Dale Street).

I have a suspicion that Septimus migrated to Melbourne, Australia, arriving from London on the Clyde in May 1887. Needs further research.

Marriage certificate: 16 January 1889 Married Rosa Marie Grimsley in Melbourne, Australia. Marriage at Church of England, Moor Street, Fitzroy. Daughter Hilda Margaret Thompson born later that year.

21 June 1897 Septimus's cause of death on certificate listed as phthisis (tuberculosis).

Circa 1902 Rosa remarried Wilfred/William/Willie Wraith and has two children - William and Florence.

Puzzle: The marriage and death certificates record that Septimus was a butcher, and all of the background details match. Death certificate shows he was single and aged 40 when he died. The marriage certificate gives his age as 27, which should have made him 35 at time of death. I've searched the divorce records for the time and there is no record of Septimus and Rosa divorcing. The best guess I can come up with is that they separated some time before he died and he regarded himself as single.

If anyone has any information about Septimus's immigration to Australia or any other family details I'd really appreciate it.

Peter

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Re: Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 October 19 13:07 BST (UK) »
Septimus is my great-grandfather. This is the information I have so far:

Born in Westoe, Durham 1857/8. I am confident that Septimus is the same person as Arthur Septimus Thompson mentioned in some resources.

ARTHUR SEPTIMUS THOMPSON    mmn SNOWDON 
1858  Dec Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS UNION  Volume 10A  Page 443

He is with parents Joseph Logan Thompson and Alice (nee Snowdon) in 1861
RG09 /3787 f65 p20
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SEPTIMUS THOMPSON       mmn LISTER 
1859  Dec Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS UNION  Volume 10A  Page 450

He is with parents William Thomas  & M.H in 1861
RG09/3787 f72 p33
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Re: Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 October 19 13:17 BST (UK) »
Wow! Thank you for clearing that up!

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Re: Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 October 19 13:22 BST (UK) »
If you use the GRO index it gives mothers maiden surnames for these early births.  It was possible to double check as the census you quote have another child with unusual first names who is also listed with mmn Lister
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Re: Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 01 October 19 13:26 BST (UK) »
1881 census
Edward Thompson 29 is the son who is married
Isabella 26 is his wife
Septimus  21 shows as unmarried

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Re: Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 October 19 13:45 BST (UK) »
His baptism record (from the Bishop's Transcripts) is here:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XC6W-R4?i=520&cc=1309819&cat=1810087

and, as a bonus, this register included birth dates as well as baptism dates :-)

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Re: Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 October 19 13:56 BST (UK) »
More great information!

I have recently discovered the GRO site and have used it to track down other relatives. Thanks for the reminder and the link.

The 1881 census is very helpful. I'd figured that Edward was married to Isabella because of their ages and the ages of the children. Not sure when and how William Thompson died.

Thanks for the Bishop's transcripts. I've struggled through some of those but need to persist.

I really appreciate this help. Thank you!

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Re: Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 October 19 14:09 BST (UK) »
I have found that its better to look for BTs for a particular parish via the catalogue.
The 'browse' listing here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index?owc=9K5M-GP8%3A13618101%3Fcc%3D1309819

appears not to include this year.

But if I look via the catalogue for South Shields , church records, St Hilda I can see this:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1810087?availability=Family%20History%20Library

which does include the relevant year - though even then the film starts off with some from Holy Trinity - but I persevered and randomly clicked on thumbnails till I got into the right area for St Hilda :-)

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Re: Septimus Thompson 1857 - 1897
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 October 19 14:39 BST (UK) »
Great suggestion. Thank you!