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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #99 on: Thursday 03 October 19 22:22 BST (UK) »
How do you know he got the croix de guerre?  Do you have something in writing to tell you that and when was he awarded it?

Look back to the very 1st post. ...there is a pic of him receiving it.
My grandad has records and a photo.

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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #100 on: Friday 04 October 19 15:39 BST (UK) »
Look back to the very 1st post. ...there is a pic of him receiving it.

Do you mean this one:  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=306364

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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #101 on: Friday 04 October 19 16:15 BST (UK) »
Ok, so when did he receive it?  Neither Chempat nor I can find his name on any list of Croix de Guerre recipients.

Was it reported in something like the London Gazette or the local paper where he lived?

Do you have a picture of the medal itself?
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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #102 on: Friday 04 October 19 23:12 BST (UK) »
We have the medal and  the original record.

He was clarence A price his name when he got it x


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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #103 on: Friday 04 October 19 23:55 BST (UK) »
I did the original post of this topic about my Grandad. Kate is my relative researching alongside me .  I have the document for Grandad Clarence describing his war medal as thus , from - The National Archives , Kew

Description:   
Name   Price, Clarence Arthur
Rank:   Corporal
Service No:   2317711
Regiment:   158 AAOR Signals Section
Theatre of Combat or Operation:   Foreign to British: France
Award:   Croix de Guerre with Bronze Star
Date:   1944
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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #104 on: Saturday 05 October 19 10:51 BST (UK) »
I also have information that he was possibly living with John and Bertha Bamford in Luck Lane, Marsh, Huddersfield and have his baptism certificate with them being named as parent's.

Who was this John Bamford, what was his age?
Was he the father of Wright Bamford?
Or was he the brother of Wright Bamford?

What happened to the three girls, did she manage to keep them or were they adopted out too?

Which John Bamford she was living with is relevant because if it was her father in law they may have been struggling and he just could provide for them all. If it was her brother in law he may have been off to marry his sweetheart and didn't want to continue helping.

John Bamford may have lent his name to Bertha Bamford to have a the fathers name or he might actually be the father.

DNA from decendants of the 3 girls could be useful because matrilineal is supposed to be really strong. If would prove if Lily was Bertha, or Bertha's sister.

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #105 on: Saturday 05 October 19 12:49 BST (UK) »
After lots of research people on Here speculated that John, could of just been a name that wright bamford used, as that was his fathers name?

We are going to the west Yorkshire archives tuesday so will search the adress at luck lane on the electoral roll and see who was at the adress and indeed if john, and lily were ",actual people" or just preferred names that were used.


I'm not sure what happened to the 3 daughters..

Cant remember now if anyone back in the chat looked into it.

Thankyou

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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #106 on: Saturday 05 October 19 19:15 BST (UK) »
Children of Bertha (who died as Jackson):

Doris, 29/09/1902 married Lawrance Brittain and died in Wakefield in 1987.

Hilda, 26/12/1903 married George Gale  and probably died in Leeds in 1961 age 57.

Mabel. 11/12/1905 married Ernest Smith and probably died in Leeds in 1960 age 54.

Their children can be looked at from freebmd - (but too many Smiths to try and chase/trace.)

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Re: Adoptive parents of my great grandfather- wakefield/ royston/yorkshire
« Reply #107 on: Wednesday 03 May 23 23:16 BST (UK) »
I realise I have come very late to this thread, but I chanced across it when googling for "Earnshaw Place Balne Lane". The reason was that a person in my husband's tree was stated at his burial in Royston to have his abode at 3 Earnshaw Place.

This man was Arthur PRIESTLEY (1862-1931), and he was buried on 10 Nov 1931 in Royston, aged 69.

Now he must have been the last husband of Lucy PULLAN / RHODES / RAILTON / PRICE / PRIESTLEY. The marriage registration was in December Quarter 1915 in Barnsley District. Lucy used the surname PRICE at the marriage.

Because of this marriage (which I probably would have completely missed had it not been for Google to throw up this thread) I looked into Lucy's life a bit further.

Arthur was married previously and had several children. His son George Arthur PRIESTLEY in 1923 married a woman named Louisa May PALING but he died within 6 months of the marriage. His widow in 1930 married a relative of my husband's. Arthur PRIESTLEY's wife Sarah Jane (nee MARSHALL) died shortly after the 1911 census, leaving him free to marry again.

I can't help with Clarence Bamford PRICE's true parents, but I suspect Clarence took the middle name Arthur because Arthur PRIESTLEY was a good step-adoptive father to him.

Lucy herself, as you know, had quite a history of failed marriages. Her first marriage to Booth RHODES must have faltered quite quickly, as in the 1901 census Lucy, as a married woman using the surname RAILTON, was a housekeeper to a widower called Charles COWLING and his sons in Leeds. Whether there ever was a Mr. RAILTON involved, or whether Lucy decided to go under a different surname so Booth could not find her, I do not know. I certainly could not find a marriage of a Lucy to a Mr. RAILTON. As you know, Booth did not die until 1911 (he actually was in the workhouse in the 1911 census), so Lucy's next marriage was definitely bigamous.

I have some sympathy for Lucy. Booth was more than double her age - they both lied about their ages at the marriage. She claimed to be 21 but was still a couple of weeks short of her 19th birthday, and he claimed to be 28 when in fact he was 39 years old. He also had a minor conviction for fighting in the gutter with a brickmaker in 1882.

Lucy's second husband George PRICE (born 1861), the adoptive father of Clarence, had quite an interesting background. He stated at his marriage to Lucy that his father was George PRICE, Farmer, but this was only partially true. George was born in 1861 the illegitimate son of Jane PRICE (nee WALLETT). Jane had been married (and officially still was married) to a George Liscombe PRICE, an excise officer, son of a solicitor in London. They had lived in Ireland for a while and had a daughter born there, but then George Liscombe PRICE emigrated to America without his wife, and Jane ended up in a small village called Misson at the northern end of Nottinghamshire, close to Doncaster, and produced a string of children there, with of course no father named.

I noticed that in Jane PRICE's last three censuses (1881-1901), she had a "lodger" living with her called George SNOWDEN, an Ag. Lab., who in 1881 and 1891 was stated to be married (with no wife in sight - they clearly also had separated). By 1901 he stated to be widowed. And when I looked at George PRICE's birth registration in 1861, he was registered as George Snowden PRICE, mother's maiden surname blank. One of George PRICE's sisters also had the middle name Snowden. So no prizes for guessing who George Snowden PRICE's real father was! In fact, George SNOWDEN died in Cudworth in the house of one of his illegitimate children, Leonard PRICE, so clearly was a valued member of the family.

I have all these people, including lots more detail, and a bit more about their parents and grandparents, on my family tree on Ancestry. The tree is called "Mitchinson and Lawrence". The easiest way is to find me on the list of Ancestry members - my name (Petra Mitchinson) is worldwide unique - and then click on the tree and do a tree search for Lucy PULLAN.

If anybody has any more information about Arthur PRIESTLEY after his marriage to Lucy, I would be interested to hear about it. I have no access to the 1921 census, so if anyone has that, I would appreciate a look-up!