Looking for info on James Hill and his many kids (1868-1908)

[avm228]

Death for James Hill aged 40, Dec qtr 1908 Bedwellty. So Louisa was widowed when pregnant with Gladys May (birth reg Jun qtr 1909 Bedwellty).

[avm228]

Possible baptism for “Lily”:

Llanwonno, Glamorgan

2 May 1896

Lilian Hill, daughter of James (a collier) and Louisa, of 5 Catherine St, Aberdare Junction.

N.B. This is only two days before the burial found for Ellen Elizabeth in a different but nearby parish I think.

[EH71]

Ellen’s birth registration is indexed on the GRO Online as Ellen Eliza Hill, mother’s maiden name Landford [sic], Mar qtr 1888 Martley 6c 267.

firstly thanks for helping!

I found that registration too but I am 100% sure the mothers correct maiden name is Sandford - is it possible it was written down incorrectly on the birth certificate?

thanks

[avm228]

Ellen’s birth registration is indexed on the GRO Online as Ellen Eliza Hill, mother’s maiden name Landford [sic], Mar qtr 1888 Martley 6c 267.

firstly thanks for helping!

I found that registration too but I am 100% sure the mothers correct maiden name is Sandford - is it possible it was written down incorrectly on the birth certificate?

thanks

As I said earlier it has probably just been mistranscribed in the indexing process.  An old-fashioned manuscript S is easily mistaken for an L. You will have seen that the same has happened for William Henry’s birth registration.

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Extending the list compiled by Annette7 to show children on censuses with mother Louisa (going by transcripts on FamilySearch)

Ellen Eliza b 1888  On 1891 census  d 1896
William Henry b 1889  On 1901 & 1911 census
Myra Edith b 1890  On 1891 & 1901 census
Francis George b 1892  On 1901 & 1911 census
Annie Louisa b 1894  On 1901 census
Lily b c1896 On 1901 & 1911 census
James b 1897  On 1901 census
John Thomas b 1899  On 1901 & 1911 census
Ethel Jane b 1900  On 1901 & 1911 census
Richard Idris b 1902, d 1902
Percy Richard b.1903, d 1905
Emlyn Charles b.1905  On 1911 census
Gladys b c1909  On 1911 census


ADDED - the legal age for marriage was not raised to 16 until 1929 so it is possible that Myra Edith and Annie Louisa were married before 1911.

[EH71]

Wow he had a big family then 

Is it possible to find out what happened to Myra Edith Hill after 1901?

also is Myra written down on the 1901 census as Edith?, Because unless i'm missing something it defiantly doesn't say Myra on it

Extending the list compiled by Annette7 to show children on censuses with mother Louisa (going by transcripts on FamilySearch)


Myra Edith b 1890  On 1891 & 1901 census

[avm228]

She is Edith in 1901.

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just wondering-  how can you know that for certain?

not saying you're wrong, i'm just wondering why they would've put Edith rather than Myra

[avm228]

It was her middle name. You can see from her age that it is the same person.

Experience shows that it is very common in 19th century records for people to treat their given names as interchangeable, alternate between them, switch them around etc.