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Interfaith marriage
« on: Sunday 22 September 19 23:34 BST (UK) »
Hello all

Looking for a bit of insight or advice.

My ancestors married in 1835 at a CofE church. I have found the groom's baptism (CofE) but the only bride's baptism I can find is Catholic.

What is the likelihood of them marrying?

Would she have had to convert?

Did interfaith marriages happen in the Victorian times? And was there stigma?

Thanks very much
Joanna Mooney née Connor born County Offaly about 1833, died unknown
and her children (all born Staffordshire/Worcestershire):
Ann Mooney, born 1856
Martin Mooney, born 1862
Thomas Mooney, born 1864
Joanna Mooney, born 1866
Agnes Mooney, born 1868
Theresa Mooney, born 1870

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Re: Interfaith marriage
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 September 19 05:15 BST (UK) »
What is the likelihood of them marrying?

You don't mention in which country?
In any case, I don't see a problem.

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Would she have had to convert?

It's more usual for non-Catholics yo have to "convert" to Catholicism. Never heard of it the other way around.

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Did interfaith marriages happen in the Victorian times? And was there stigma?

Yes; No.

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Re: Interfaith marriage
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 September 19 05:34 BST (UK) »
I am in NSW Australia.  May  add that in NSW in such a mixed marriage that the couple often retained their own denomination, with their daughters following their mum's religious practices and the sons following their dad's.    So the girls may have attended a convent schooling and extra activities including religious instruction there under the guidance of R.C nuns.

So in NSW it would not have been considered to be an interfaith marriage, but rather simply an inter-denominational marriage.   

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Re: Interfaith marriage
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 September 19 05:35 BST (UK) »
A couple of additional thoughts:

If her name is a common one there may be more baptisms you haven’t found, records lost or not transcribed etc. :)

Have you searched a few years both sides of the year you believe she was born?

She may not have been baptised.

Do the censuses give her place of birth?

Have you checked neighbouring areas?

If the Catholic baptism gives her father’s /mother’s name/s did she name any of her children after them?

I’m sure if you give all the details you have about the couple, someone will try to help you.



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Re: Interfaith marriage
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 September 19 09:16 BST (UK) »
Just a little thing, but they were both Christians, that is to say both of the same faith. 

 Had one of them been a Muslim, or Skih, or Hindo, or Confusian, then I could see that there could have been some difficulties. 

I have many (20+) RC /CoE marriages in my and my wife's tree.  There were only two difficulties that I can find  - 

1 - RC wife insisting that the children go to the nearest RC school (40 mile round trip, twice a day) and 

2 - CoE wife stating that 5 children was enough and that they (the parents) were going to take charge of their own procreation and not leave it in God's hands any longer. 

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Re: Interfaith marriage
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 September 19 09:38 BST (UK) »
Scottish marriage - 1908 - Jewish groom and RC bride.  Dispensation was obtained to allow the marriage to take place in the RC church.  As far as I can make out neither changed their religion after marriage.  No children, and he was buried in the Jewish Cemetery.  Her second marriage was at the Register Office.

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Re: Interfaith marriage
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 September 19 10:29 BST (UK) »
I agree that this is just a 'mixed marriage' to use the usual Catholic terminology, ie one between Christians of different denominations. A marriage of this kind in a Catholic church would require a dispensation, frequently noted in the margin of the marriage register in the church.

Dispensations could be required for all sorts of reasons and is basically just an official decision to waive usual practice. It was usual practice not to allow weddings during Lent (period before Easter) or Advent (period before Christamas) for example, but if the groom was soon being posted abroad by the army, or one of the parents was close to death but wanted to see his son /daughter married, it was possible to waive the rules for the benefit of those involved.

One of the most usual dispensations in the 20th century was to allow a mixed marriage. My father was very high church C of E,  my mother was Catholic. In the ninteenth century, I would expect a mixed marriage in Australia to be less common than in 20th century England, but still possible at a time when the local population is a mixture of people whose backgrounds are very different.

 There would be no obligation for anyone to convert to anything, but there was definitely a tendency for some Catholic priests to be reluctant to co-operate by granting a dispensation.  My aunt was married in a C of E church in 1932  (because her parish priest dug his heels in when a neighbour told him she was planning to marry a non-Catholic). She was married again, to the same man, in a Catholic ceremony in a neighbouring RC parish church, by a  priest who had recently baptised her first child in 1934. He couldn't understand why no dispensation had been given in the first place.

I agree that you need to keep investigating other possibilities and keep an open mind over the mixed marriage possibility. Good luck with your search.
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Re: Interfaith marriage
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 September 19 10:57 BST (UK) »
Source Wikipedia

“The Act for Marriages in England 1836, 6 & 7 Wm IV, c. 85 (17 August 1836) was an Act that legalised civil marriage in England and Wales from 1 January 1837. Since the Marriage Act 1753, the only legally recognised marriages in England and Wales had been those performed by the Church of England, Jews and Quakers.”

So prior to 1837 a marriage in a Catholic Church wasn’t legal. 


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Re: Interfaith marriage
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 September 19 12:12 BST (UK) »
If Captain Mainwaring were still with us, he'd say 'I wondered who'd be first to spot that'  ;D

You beat me to it Nic.

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