Griffiths of Hunslet

[cynmac]

Hi I am looking for any info re Sarah Jane Griffiths b 1870 Wales but living in Hunslet after  1891 , also birth record of  Harold Griffiths b 1897 in Hunslet and any info after this date . Thanks

[BumbleB]

Using FreeBMD there are no birth registrations in West Yorkshire for Harold Griffiths 1895-1899

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

I'm assuming that you are referring to the 1901 census entry for

Sarah J Griffiths - 30 born South Wales - Domestic servant
Harold Griffiths - 4 - born Leeds

RG13/4240 folio 12 page 15


Oops - used West Yorkshire and not West Riding 

June quarter 1896 - Hunslet - Harold Griffiths - mmn = -

 

[cynmac]

Yes they are the people I am interested in. . I would like to find any info after this census and also any details of the birth of Harold.

[BumbleB]

You can purchase Harold's birth certificate from GRO - pdf version at £7.00 - https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

You will have to register, but it's free.

[Milliepede]

I take it Sarah was his mother.  Possible she marries a Thomas Routledge in Cockermouth 1906?

If correct death for Sarah J Routledge death 1932 Cockermouth age 62.

Harold marriage 1919 names his father as Ted deceased labourer.

[cynmac]

Thanks Milliepede this is the tie I am trying to sort out. My problem is that my Sarah was not married so there is no Ted Griffiths for a Harold who might be the son of my Sarah . My Sarah had an illegitimate  daughter Martha Jane who was my Mother in Law and there has never been a mention in the family of her Mother.
Will start again from the beginning and send for some certificates.

[lynn]

Hi
Possible marriage as said by Milliepede, from experience in my family tree illegitimate children just made a name up of friends or relatives as Father!!  If this is the correct marriage for Harold then they had four children of which two died in infancy.   After his death his wife remarried.

Harold was buried 24 December 1929 aged 33 at Becket Street Cemetery in Grave No. 17473 Unconsecrated Section and this appears to be a Communal Grave.   Occupation is a Labourer of 11 County Street Leeds.

There is a death for Sarah J Griffiths in Bradford 1950 aged 79.   1939 Register Sarah J Griffiths born 11 Dec 1870 down as a W and Occupation Unpaid domestic duties.  Again do not dismiss that she is down as widow, my 2xG.Grandmother had 3 children, never married but always classed herself as a widow!!!

Just out of interest was your Martha Jane born February 1891?  There is a baptism for Martha Jane Griffiths March 5 1891 aged 3 weeks, mother Sarah Jane Griffiths and Father Thomas Kelly!!

Lynn

[suzard]

Quite a complicated one
Here's my take on the situation -some records posted previously by other RootsChatters

I think Harold Griffiths was the illegit son of Sarah J Griffiths -on the marriage you gave in 1919 he gives his father as Ted griffiths deceased
Although the Parish entry clearly reads Ted (not a too common name/nickname at that time) I wonder if he would have given his father's name as Fred and it was misheard as Ted???
His sister (or half sister)martha Jane was living with her uncle Fred Griffiths in 1901
It also seems Harold's mother Sarah J Griffiths married Thomas Routledge (widower) in 1906 in Cockermouth reg district
Sarah and new husband Thomas Routledge and some of his sons along with Harold went to live in Cumberland and I think the death reg of Sarah Jane Routledge age 62 Sept qtr 1932 Cockermouth is that of Sarah Jane nee Griffiths

1901 census shows Sarah J Griffiths U 30 S Wales  with son Harold Griffiths age 4 b Leeds
1901 census Martha J Griffiths age 10 is in Cockermouth with her Uncle Fred Griffiths age 50 coal miner b Pembroke and wife jane age 49

1891 19 Hall St Leeds
John Olin Head M 58 Coal Miner Tenby Pembs
Martha Ollin wife 61 Pembroke
SARAH J GRIFFITHS  daughter S 20 Begelly Pembs
MARTHA J GRIFFITHS daughter 2mths Leeds
RG12 3663 56 20

1881
19 Hall St Leeds
John Ollen Head M 49 coal miner S Wales
Martha Ollin 58 S Wales
SARAH JANE GRIFFITHS granddaughter 10 S Wales
plus 4 Boarders
RG11 4488 146
I think relationships are incorrect as Martha was Sarah J's grandmother and although living as married in 1881 martha and John did not marry until 1883

Marrige St Peters Leeds
22 Jun 1883
John Ollin 50 widower Miner Regent St father Joseph Ollin occ Miner
Martha Griffiths 58 Widow regent St father William Darby occ Labourer
Witnesses Thomas Sowerby & Deborah Sowerby

this looks like Martha's baptism record
Haverfordwest Independant The Green meeting House St Thomas Green
Martha Derby born St Thomas Parish Dec 1822

baptised 19 Jan 1823
Parents William Derby & Sarah Davey

then there is a marriage reg Sept qtr 1844 Haverforwest
on same page Martha Darby & James Griffiths

so Sarah J Griffiths should be the daughter of one of Martha & James children

More tomorrow

Suz

[cynmac]

Thanks to all for info and ideas. Martha b 1891 has no Father on registration but Kelly on baptism ( where the  address given is Hall Street Hunslet) and and on her marriage cert no Father given . I am happy that Martha is with her uncle
In Cumberland and this is where she was married from, so all OK with Martha.
A Sarah Griffiths married  Thomas Routledge as his second wife. Thomas was born and lived in Cumberland. Sarah was actually born in Wales and 1911 census says Hunslet, the birth place  however is not too relevant.
None of the family of Martha, after her marriage,  had any connection with a Routledge family which is what seems strange as they woukd have been living about 6 mikes apart, and is what makes me wonder if this is the correct Sarah.
Regarding the marriage of Harold and a Fathers name ,I need the baptism or birth record of Harold and if he had a Father this would not be him as Sarah hadn't married.
Martha and her husband were in Canada from 1911 to 1922 when they returned to Cumberland.
Must clear my head about what might be and try to find some facts.
Thank to you all for your interest .