William Senior's map 1616

[goldie61]

I understand there is a map of Ashford in the Water from the survey of 1616 by William Senior, which I think shows the names of those who farm the fields etc.

Derbyshire Record Office tell me they are no longer able, (allowed), to produce copies of the black and white copy of the maps they hold.

I see it is included in a book - ‘William Senior's Survey of the Estates of the First and Second Earls of Devonshire c.1600–28’.
Has anybody ever seen this map, or this book, or any of the maps, to know if the map actually does show the tenants names?

Many thanks

[Newfloridian]

Don't know for sure, but Amazon have a copy (presumably) of a reconstruction of that book:

Survey of the Estates of the First and Second Earls of Devonshire, 1600-28 Hardcover 1988 by William Senior  (Author), D.V. Fowkes (Editor), G. R. Potter (Editor)

At £ 7.87 might be worth a punt.

Alan

[spendlove]

Hi

The book was published by the Derbyshire Record Society, they still have copies for sale but would be cheaper if purchased  secondhand from book.

I do have a copy of the book - what is the name of your ancestor?

Please note the book is still in copyright, so cannot give full details but quite happy to confirm if your ancestor is mentioned.

No map of Ashford in the water is included in the book, just details of who was renting land etc from the Devonshire’s. 

I think that William Seniors survey and accompanying  Atlas are held at Chatsworth House, not Derbyshire RO

Spendlove

[goldie61]

Thanks Spendlove.
I think there should be some of the Heyward/Heyward/Heaward and White/Whyte families in Ashford in 1616.

Does it also cover Hartington and/or Earlsterndale? Rogers family there.

Shame the maps don't show which lands the various tenants held.

I see there is also 'The Welbeck Atlas' from about 1629 onwards, again for the Cavendish family at Chatsworth.
Have you ever seen this?
I think my Finney/Fynney family moved to Ashford about 1629. They won't be in the 1616 I don't think.

Thanks for your help.

Yes, the originals are at Chatsworth, but Derbyshire RO have photocopies, of which they cannot copy (orders from Chatsworth).

[spendlove]

Hi,

Think I have confused you the map/atlas will show which tennant rented which lands, however the map of AIW is not included in this book. 
The map/atlas and the survey are two separate items so in the book is given details of the survey, you then find these on the map.


AIW.   -  Thomas Heiward, George Herward, Edward Heiward, Henry Heiward and another entry for a William Heiward Thelder and Younger (the elder and younger)

The welbeck atlas, I do not have, it can be purchased from the Thornton Society £29.50 + postage, however this does come with full enlargable maps see

http://www.thorotonsociety.org.uk/publications/recordseries/welbeckatlas.htm

Think it may be worth purchasing a copy at £7.87 As quoted previously, you could then use this to find the lands on the copy map held at DRO, if possible for you to travel.

Hope this helps

Spendlove

[goldie61]

Thanks Spendlove.
A whole bunch of Heiwards!

So I have to see the actual MAP to see where these people had their lands?
Either at Chatsworth or Derbyshire RO? And not in the book anyway you're saying?
Neither place is possible I'm afraid as I'm in New Zealand.
Difficult there being a resource I can't get to look at.
Although DRO won't take copies, I guess Chatsworth might

[spendlove]

Hi

Would be surprised if Chatsworth would supply a copy, and even it it would think it would be expensive but would ask if they could supply PDF.  This because the images of maps that are in the book are so small very difficult to read.

Just to give you an idea at present it costs £25 a day just to visit the archives at Chatsworth.

DRO are not allowed to supply copies as Chatsworth holds copyright.

Spendlove

[goldie61]

Thanks spendlove

[Cham]

Hello, there was a Ricardus Fouke listed in the 1381 Poll Tax at Ashford in the Water, and I was wondering if there were any Fouke/Fauke/Fowkes left there by 1616, as I am pretty sure if there were they would be farming the fields in that map, Thank You.