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Re: finding a birth certificate
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 12 September 19 15:30 BST (UK) »
The Madras birth must simply be someone else - a different Elizabeth, surely?  The Patrick Walsh who was her father was a Sergeant-Major in the Engineers' Dept at Fort St George on her baptism in 1846.
Familysearch has....

Elizabeth Walsh b. 9th April 1846, c. 6th May 1846 Madras, India

Parents....

Patrick 1812-1893 married Ann Francis 1816-1877,  11th June 1842, Tamil Nadu

Siblings...

Edmund 1843-1907/ Ann 1844-?/ John 1848-?/ Echeck William 1850-?/Henry 1852-1853/ Mary 1854-?

I do not think this is my Elizabeth, I have seen this as a hint on Ancestry and it has Patrick Walsh death and his DoB as very different, either that or all the info that I have is wrong
I'm researching both sides of my family so I'm looking for a lot of info hence a lot of names!!<br />My main interest at present is for LAWSON, Scotland   CRONK, Edenbridge Kent, Croydon.   LEIGHTON, Scotland.  BROWN Ireland and London, WARBURTON.Cheshire, Worcestershire and Canada PARTRIDGE

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Re: finding a birth certificate
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 12 September 19 15:33 BST (UK) »
I agree.  Disregard the 1846 birth/baptism as not your Elizabeth. The 1836-7 one looks a touch old in light of the ages recorded for Elizabeth in 1856 and 1871 (which suggest 1839-40), but shouldn't be ruled out at this stage.

Back to the drawing board. What do you know of your Patrick Walsh - birth/death dates? Where in India did he live/serve/die? Was he Catholic or Protestant, so far as you know? - this may affect the availability of records.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: finding a birth certificate
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 12 September 19 15:42 BST (UK) »
The marriage to Robert Brown, Sept 1856.... There are the following possible births.....
Evaline Mary 1859/ Henry William 1862/ Walter Gilbert 1864/ James 1869-1869

I have a death of an Elizabeth Brown 1839-1895 Lucknow

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 12 September 19 15:44 BST (UK) »
The marriage to Robert Brown, Sept 1856.... There are the following possible births.....
Evaline Mary 1859/ Henry William 1862/ Walter Gilbert 1864/ James 1869-1869


The births don't fit with the known family in 1871:

Walter 7 b St Helena (unless this is Walter Gilbert??)
Alice 5 b St Helena
Ernest 3 b Sheerness
Harry 1 b Sheerness
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: finding a birth certificate
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 12 September 19 15:49 BST (UK) »
Where do you have Robert, Elizabeth and their children after the 1871 census at Sheerness
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 12 September 19 15:49 BST (UK) »
Walter Gilbert Brown b 20 Feb 1864 was baptised 2 March 1864 at Bareilly - parents Robert (Sergt, HM 104th Regt) and Elizabeth.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: finding a birth certificate
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 12 September 19 16:03 BST (UK) »
The marriage to Robert Brown, Sept 1856.... There are the following possible births.....
Evaline Mary 1859/ Henry William 1862/ Walter Gilbert 1864/ James 1869-1869

I have a death of an Elizabeth Brown 1839-1895 Lucknow

Elizabeth died in Sheppey Kent and I do not know any of the above  names for the children
Walter 7 b St Helena (unless this is Walter Gilbert??)
Alice 5 b St Helena
Ernest 3 b Sheerness
Harry 1 b Sheerness
These are the correct kids, Alice is my great grandmother
I def do not think that Ann Francis is mine either, I do think that the birth in 1846 is not my Elizabeth so will send for the certificate for the other find

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GRO Chaplains Birth Indices
Elizabeth WALSH 1836-1837
Bengal, India
Archive Ref. BCHA
Page 197
Line 191.

As for Robert Brown, I know very little about him, I do have him being born in Belfast in 1822 but not sure if that is right.
I am getting confused now although it doesn't take a lot. I'm not a very organised person.
Thankyou all so much for your help. I think you all have been great
I'm researching both sides of my family so I'm looking for a lot of info hence a lot of names!!<br />My main interest at present is for LAWSON, Scotland   CRONK, Edenbridge Kent, Croydon.   LEIGHTON, Scotland.  BROWN Ireland and London, WARBURTON.Cheshire, Worcestershire and Canada PARTRIDGE

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 12 September 19 16:14 BST (UK) »
Births in England to Robert & Elizabeth Brown:

Ernest Brown mmn Walsh, Jun qtr 1868 Sheppey
Harry Brown mmn Walsh, Dec qtr 1869 Sheppey
William Charles Brown mmn Walsh, Dec qtr 1871 Sheppey (?)

What are the details of Elizabeth's death in Sheppey?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 12 September 19 17:44 BST (UK) »
A little information on Robert BROWN.
Robert  was discharged in Bareilly in 1864, having served 23 years and 270 days, 23 years and 180 days of which were served in India.

His character and conduct was good.

When promoted he held two Good Conduct stripes.

His name appeared once in the Regimental Defaulters book.

He had never been tried by Court Martial.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.