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Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« on: Monday 09 September 19 21:08 BST (UK) »
Good evening,

Can anyone help with the following please ?
Harriet Yates nee Carmichael is on the 1911 census states she has had 8 children born, 3 living at the time of the census and 5 deceased. We have worked out that she had at least one child before she was married which died. All that we have found are buried in Hedon Road Cemetery.  Her husband was called Robert William Yates. Altogether we have discovered 3 deceased children and are missing 2.
Can anyone help with locating them or have an idea of how to locate them.
The deceased children we have found are
Elsie C Carmichael
Gertrude Yates
James William Yates
Thanks in advance

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Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 September 19 21:12 BST (UK) »
You’re missing dates - when was the marriage, and what are the birth/death dates of the known children?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 September 19 21:16 BST (UK) »
Elsie Craig Carmichael, Mar qtr 1880 Hull (death Dec qtr 1881 Sculcoates)
William Henry Yates mmn Carmichael, Jun qtr 1884 Sculcoates
Harriet Jane Yates mmn Carmichael, Mar qtr 1886 Sculcoates
James William Yates mmn Carmichael, Mar qtr 1888 Sculcoates
Annie Elizabeth Yates mmn Carmichael, Sep qtr 1890 Sculcoates
Frances Ellen Yates mmn Carmichael, Dec qtr 1892 Sculcoates
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 September 19 21:34 BST (UK) »
What do you know about Gertrude? I can see one in Hull who dies in infancy in 1883 (likely twin of an Ethel who also dies in infancy) but mmn is Smith.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 September 19 21:44 BST (UK) »
I have birth and death certs for Gertrude dob 1895 died 1896
The child born before she married was Elsie C Carmichael again have birth and death certs
The new name not seen before is William Henry Yates so he could be one, missing one more

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Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 September 19 23:01 BST (UK) »
William Henry Yates died aged 1, Sep qtr 1885 Sculcoates.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 September 19 23:07 BST (UK) »
I think he is one of the missing children. Thank you for your help.
One more to go. I'm looking on Yorkshire bmd but no luck on the 8th yet

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Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 September 19 05:51 BST (UK) »
Who is the James age 7 with her in 1911.
Included he would be the 8th child, I cannot find a registration as yet

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Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 September 19 07:15 BST (UK) »
Hi I’m the posters cousin and we are trying to solve this together. On census 1911james is mentioned as son but he is her grandson. We have birth death and burial records for James born 1910 and he is the actually the son of her Annie Elizabeth. He is Harriets grandson. This census is where it was discovered she had had 8 children. We knew Harriet, Annie, James, Frances and Gertude along with Elsie born and died premarriage. Giving us 3 living and 3 passed away. Today I’ve ordered the birth and death for William Henry found above. My grandmother was Frances Ellen third born daughter.

I’m wondering if a child is stillborn is the child registered as both birth and death or only as death?
Regards
Lw
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