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1788, Sotland): Farmer & Son (a Drover) Sequestered. Questions
« on: Wednesday 04 September 19 00:37 BST (UK) »
Hello,
I'm new on the block & am looking for a few answers to my burning questions from anyone able and willing to help.

"John Grant in Inverlochie" was a farmer in Inverlochy; his son, Cuthbert, was a drover at the same place. Both owed large sums of money - about 2oo pounds each. I believe charges were laid by individuals to whom they owed the money. John Grant was imprisoned at Banff until his "hearing" (for lack of the proper word) at someone's home. He was found guilty. I don't know what happened to him or his family after that. His known siblings were born between 1711 and 1731; he died in September, 1791, so in '88 he may have in his 70s . I'm uncertain where he died and is buried.

According to the documents I have, when sequestered, the individual has three choices: pay the debt; go to jail; run for fear of bodily harm. 

Cuthbert Grant was charged but I'm unsure if he was found not guilty of the charges, or whether he wasn't 'punished' because he chose option 3 and left to join the Canadian fur trade where he became known as Cuthbert Grant of Trois-Rivieres. Cuthbert was born 1763;  The last reference I have for him is about 1805. I've been unable to find a marriage or death record for him.

My questions are:
Jonh may once have been a tackman. He probably leased the land. Given his advancing age, what would have happened to John and his property, if he didn't have children to take him in?  . Was there anything like a statute of limitations for someone like Cuthbert who 'skipped out' to avoid their sequestration? What would happen to his property? Could Cuthbert have returned to Scotland? What would have happened to him?   ??? ??? ???

In advance, thanks for your wisdom! :)
Grants of Inverlochie near Tomintoul. William Grant of Trois-Rivieres & Marguerite Fafard dit Laframboise. Cuthbert Grant of Trois-Rivieres.
Grants of Glenlochy & Kilgraston.
Camerons of Temiscaming.
Dobie, Grant, Gerrard, Findlay, Jordan.
Langie/Levreault de Langie

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Re: 1788, Sotland): Farmer & Son (a Drover) Sequestered. Questions
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 September 19 15:38 BST (UK) »
I cannot answer your main question but maybe the death of Cuthbert below?

Records below on https://www.scotlandspeople

Your CUTHBERT GRANT Baptised 17/02/1763 Kirkmichael and Tomintoul. Parents JOHN GRANT/MARGARET CUMMING. As you know.

There was another baptised there in 1782 - father Domald but he likely died in 1875, so I wonder if this was Cuthbert's death,

CUTHBERT GRANT   Died    12/06/1831   Aberdeen

Also I wonder if this is he?
Grant   Cuthbert   5/2/1875   resided at Lamchoil Abernathy   Inverness Sheriff Court


Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: 1788, Sotland): Farmer & Son (a Drover) Sequestered. Questions
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 September 19 19:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much for your reply, Colin. You do have the correct date of birth and parents. I think the Cuthbert, dying 1875 can be ruled out simply by his age - he would have been 112 years old.                   

If the father was Donald that's definitely not him.

Lamchoil's also been ruled out.

Aberdeen could be a possibility, but the only way I would be able to tell would be by finding info on him from the years 1793 until 1805 when he was in Canada. I don't think he could be in two places at the same time. Perhaps he's noted in records from that area. Do you know anything about him?  I can check. Maybe he left me a letter.     ::)
Thanks for your leads, Colin!
Grants of Inverlochie near Tomintoul. William Grant of Trois-Rivieres & Marguerite Fafard dit Laframboise. Cuthbert Grant of Trois-Rivieres.
Grants of Glenlochy & Kilgraston.
Camerons of Temiscaming.
Dobie, Grant, Gerrard, Findlay, Jordan.
Langie/Levreault de Langie

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Re: 1788, Sotland): Farmer & Son (a Drover) Sequestered. Questions
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 September 19 19:03 BST (UK) »
The Winnipeg Tribune Newspaper Archive  of 19 June 1937 has a full page article:

Cuthbert James Grant, The Warden of the Plains
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Re: 1788, Sotland): Farmer & Son (a Drover) Sequestered. Questions
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 September 19 20:17 BST (UK) »
Hi, Deebel,
Thanks very much for taking the time to respond to my request. Unfortunately, the Cuthbert you refer to is Cuthbert Grant aka "Warden of the Plains", son of Cuthbert Grant Sr. and an unnamed Canadian/Indian woman; the Cuthbert I am looking for was born in Scotland, the son of John Grant in Inverlochie (near Tomintoul) and Margaret Cumming.  Fur trade historian, Wallace, once said there were more Scottish Grants named Cuthbert in Canada than in Scotland!  They've been confused many times in the past! Thanks again!
anita
Grants of Inverlochie near Tomintoul. William Grant of Trois-Rivieres & Marguerite Fafard dit Laframboise. Cuthbert Grant of Trois-Rivieres.
Grants of Glenlochy & Kilgraston.
Camerons of Temiscaming.
Dobie, Grant, Gerrard, Findlay, Jordan.
Langie/Levreault de Langie