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Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« Reply #63 on: Wednesday 11 September 19 00:00 BST (UK) »



Sue... I only posted the other names to show where your "unusual" names came from!

As for the other Documents you don't need to understand them for now....just look for people named on them, some of which I underlined for you in the Images posted.

I posted one where they were leasing land from someone.
I also posted one where they were leasing land to someone

..just to give you an idea of their lifestyle!

They were far from poor tenant farmers!!

All you need from NLI is their help/advice on how to proceed with the snippet about George!


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Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« Reply #64 on: Wednesday 11 September 19 03:18 BST (UK) »
Hallmark Got your message and agree with you😉😉 This ancestor has land, and money and the other side so poor they only have a wee cottage in Monaghan, no land, nothing at all.
Hope Brabazon was kind to his family and neighbours☘️

Thanks again for everything you found for me and your patience in explaining things to me.

Cheers👍🇨🇦

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Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 23 February 20 17:57 GMT (UK) »
Update on my searching. NLI is providing me with a copy of the Grant of Arms involving Eccleston and Sheils. Have received a copy of the 1801 will for William Sheils, which gave me more siblings for Brabazon Disney Sheils.
What I need to know is the snippets of information that Familysearch has copied, did those original documents come from the National Library of Ireland or the National Archives of Ireland. I am going to Ireland in the summer but don't know how much time to reserve in Dublin to do my research, so where these original documents are held is important to me.
Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated. I also need to find a Irish history person who can help me as I don't understand all what I am finding.
Thanks again everyone

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Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« Reply #66 on: Monday 24 February 20 01:12 GMT (UK) »

 






You don't have....  Marriage of BRABAZON DISNEY SHEILS in 1850
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Ardee  Returns Year   1850
Returns Quarter   1  Returns Volume No   1
Returns Page No   202


What information are you looking at that says they are 60??

The marriage registration. It says they were both sixty.
I wonder if they had a secret, irregular marriage somewhere when they were young. Their son Henry had Sheils as surname in the baptism register so the priest who baptised him would have assumed parents were married.
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Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« Reply #67 on: Monday 24 February 20 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Update on my searching. NLI is providing me with a copy of the Grant of Arms involving Eccleston and Sheils. Have received a copy of the 1801 will for William Sheils, which gave me more siblings for Brabazon Disney Sheils.
What I need to know is the snippets of information that Familysearch has copied, did those original documents come from the National Library of Ireland or the National Archives of Ireland. I am going to Ireland in the summer but don't know how much time to reserve in Dublin to do my research, so where these original documents are held is important to me.
Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated. I also need to find a Irish history person who can help me as I don't understand all what I am finding.
Thanks again everyone

They are at

Registry of Deeds
Henrietta Street
Dublin 1

But there are 1000's of Books

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Early Marriages  INDEX
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https://www.irishancestors.ie/search/marriage/index.php


https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/185720?availability=Family%20History%20Library


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Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« Reply #68 on: Monday 24 February 20 14:33 GMT (UK) »


Brab C was George's son...

George requested the use of Family Crest as a direct descendant, so had to lodge paperwork of lineage which confirmed he was entitled to use it.

So, he is the son of...., who was the son of..... etc. etc

NLI is providing you with a copy of the Grant of Arms involving Eccleston and Sheils.... wait and see how far it goes back on Shiels!

Then chase George if needed.

You have  Tabular pedigree of the descendants of Sir Edward Brabazon, baron of Ardee, 1549-1891; 19th c. Collection:    MacIomhair Papers Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 24,017


Pedigree of Brabazon of Eastwell in Co. Leicestershire, Barons of Ardee, Earls of Meath, of Ballinasloe, and New Park, Co. Mayo, c.1066 -- 1829.   Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.168, pp.396-405


Copy of confirmation of arms to the descendants of the Rev. Brabazon Disney, D. D., Rector of Kilmore, Diocese of Armagh and to his grandson, the Very Rev. Brabazon William Disney, Dean of Armagh, son of Rev. Brabazon Disney, Rector of Slane in Co. Meath, May 25, 1861.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.108, pp.370-1

The Pedigree of Ecclestons has been done and is at Trinity College.  all entwined with each other!

See if Sheils are mentioned in any of them??




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Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« Reply #69 on: Monday 24 February 20 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Maiden Stone and Hallmark THANK YOU. First it was suggested to me that if the marriage bonds were read out in the C of I Mansfieldtown Parish, then the RC priests having seen the bonds, could have just entered the marriage info in their records, although not an official RC marriage? Again I am from Canada so this I have no authority or knowledge on this topic. Not sure when children were born, since the marriage info is where the parents are 60 years of age.

I finally found the connection between Sheils with Disney and Brabazon's. Brabazon Disney Sheils, his Grandmother was Catherine Disney. Her parents John Disney and Jane Brabazon. Catherine married William Eccleston so that's where the Eccleston's come in along with the Disneys and Brabazon's. Have found lots of information on the Disneys and Brabazon's, however the Eccleston's is giving me trouble.
Waiting for my documents from NAI and will continue. So challenging but very exciting. Couldn't have got this far without all the help and especially want to thank Hallmark as those documents you provided have been so valuable to my research and it is very much appreciated!!!

Thanks again and cheers.

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« Reply #70 on: Monday 24 February 20 18:19 GMT (UK) »


I finally found the connection between Sheils with Disney and Brabazon's. Brabazon Disney Sheils, his Grandmother was Catherine Disney. Her parents John Disney and Jane Brabazon. Catherine married William Eccleston so that's where the Eccleston's come in along with the Disneys and Brabazon's. Have found lots of information on the Disneys and Brabazon's, however the Eccleston's is giving me trouble.
Waiting for my documents from NAI and will continue. So challenging but very exciting. Couldn't have got this far without all the help and especially want to thank Hallmark as those documents you provided have been so valuable to my research and it is very much appreciated!!!

Thanks again and cheers.

Yes..."...John and Jane Disney had issue a daughter Catherine (m to William Eccleston Esq) and six sons viz Thomas (1698-1728, born in Stabannon); Brabazon; James of Galway; Theobald, in holy orders; William and George....."

Eccleston Pedigree is in Trinity College!


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Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« Reply #71 on: Monday 24 February 20 20:25 GMT (UK) »


Pedigree of Eccleston Trinity College.

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