Stumped on this family. Help

[liznjohn2011]

Hi all,

Im hoping for a bit of help!

I was checking through the scanned pics of the 1861 census for Berwick-Upon-Tweed looking for mis transcriptions of Trainer. I came across an entry which iv not seen before, transcribed listed as..

Roar Philips             Head       F    wid  80   (not sure what the next bit is) and  Born at sea
Elisabeth Philips       Daug       F   mar  27    Berwick
Agnes Barclay          G Daug   F             6     Scotland
Catharin Crammond  G Daug   F          11     Berwick
Elisabeth Trainer       G Daug   F            1     Berwick 

can anyone work out any of this? 
Iv had a look on GRO for Elisabeth Trainer's birth, but im only getting 1 found with mother listed as Hope, I know who this 1 is in the family. I dont recognise any of the other names listed above.

Here is the link on Ancestry if it helps? fingers crossed!

 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/NBLRG9_3886_3889-0033?pid=13085922&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db%3Duki1861%26indiv%3Dtry%26h%3D13085922&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.123180811.1890524281.1567355409-1550288747.1567355409#?imageId=NBLRG9_3886_3889-0044


Many thanks

[CaroleW]

Have you looked on the 1851 for the Philips?

[liznjohn2011]

I did click each name but there wasn't any links 'hints' showing up for any of the names.

Iv just checked 1851 with no luck of those names atm. Will probably go through each picture for Berwick 1851 census, will be a job for tomorrow

[Girl Guide]

The head of household 'Roar' has his occupation as Hawker of cloth.

Agnes Barclay's birthplace is Berwick not Scotland. 

If Elisabeth is down as being married then either she married a man whose surname was also Phillips or it should be Barclay or Trainer.  Catharine Crammond was born in Scotland.  The younger Elisabeth was also born in Berwick as was the older one stated as daughter to 'Roar'.

[loobylooayr]

On Freecen website 'Roar' has been transcribed as Rose …..and she is a Hawker of cloth.

Catharine Crammond is born in Scotland
Agnes Barclay is born in Berwick.

Looby

[loobylooayr]

Searching for Catharine Crammond on Family Search turned up this -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KD-N1Z

This transcription has the two older women transcribed with the surname Hay  and not Phillips.

Looby

[suzard]

The head of household 'Roar' has his occupation as Hawker of cloth.

age of "roar" is in female column

was going to suggest Rose but was beaten to it

Searching for Catharine Crammond on Family Search turned up this -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KD-N1Z

This transcription has the two older women transcribed with the surname Hay  and not Phillips.

Looby

Its a bad transcription - the neighbours are Hay

Suz

[Girl Guide]

This looks a possible for the younger Elisabeth's birth

TRAINER, ELIZABETH       HOPE 
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in BERWICK UPON TWEED UNION  Volume 10B  Page 295

[loobylooayr]

Searching for Catharine Crammond on Family Search turned up this -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KD-N1Z

This transcription has the two older women transcribed with the surname Hay  and not Phillips.

Looby

Its a bad transcription - the neighbours are Hay

Suz

That makes sense . Was puzzled as to how the name Phillips could be mistaken for Hay.

Looby