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lee/williams birmingham
« on: Saturday 31 August 19 13:30 BST (UK) »
 april 17th 1848 francis lee married sarah Williams at st phillips Birmingham ,fathers john lee and Thomas Williams , one of the witnesses  was phoebe lee. at time of  marriage francis was living at bridge street  Birmingham but I cannot find   the family on the 1841 census or the 1851. any help please.

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Re: lee/williams birmingham
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 31 August 19 13:42 BST (UK) »
Quote from: TWINKLEMEG5 on Saturday 31 August 19 13:30 BST (UK)
april 17th 1848 francis lee married sarah Williams at st phillips Birmingham ,fathers john lee and Thomas Williams , one of the witnesses  was phoebe lee. at time of  marriage francis was living at bridge street  Birmingham but I cannot find   the family on the 1841 census or the 1851. any help please.

The groom was Thomas Lee according to the GRO index
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Re: lee/williams birmingham
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 31 August 19 13:43 BST (UK) »
If you are descended from one of their children - please give full details of that child as it can help to trace on later censuses.

Have you looked for them in 1861? 

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Just seen Rosie's reply - perhaps that’s why you can’t find them
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Re: lee/williams birmingham
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 31 August 19 13:46 BST (UK) »
Was Thomas LEES a Clockmaker

1851
HO107/2058 f429 p3

1861
RG9/2164 f80 p6
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Re: lee/williams birmingham
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 31 August 19 13:46 BST (UK) »
The marriage entry on Ancestry does show him as Francis but has been mistranscibed as marriage cert shows Thomas and yes - he was a clockmaker
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Re: lee/williams birmingham
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 31 August 19 21:40 BST (UK) »
I have been interested in Phoebe Lee for a long time and have suspected that she might have been living as man and wife with my 4 x great grandfather William Gilbert (a clockmaker).  In 1851 William (widower) is the head of the household and Phoebe is a servant.  In 1861 she is his housekeeper.
I can't find them in 1841 either, but William's two children William junior and Martha (I have only found two) were born in Handsworth, so they may have been in Staffordshire.
Bev
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Re: lee/williams birmingham
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 September 19 07:53 BST (UK) »
thank you all. it looks as if he is going to remain a mystery.

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Re: lee/williams birmingham
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 September 19 14:19 BST (UK) »
1851 we have;
Thomas Lees 28
John Lees   45 Unm Button Maker Lodger born Sutton, Warwickshire
Sarah Lees 23
William Lees 2

Next door;
Living with William Gilbert a Clockmaker
John Lees age 71 (1780) Widower Machine Fitter born Birmm, Warwickshire*****
Phoe Lees  age 38 (1813) Unm born Birmm, Warwickshire

Trish :)
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: lee/williams birmingham
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 September 19 14:27 BST (UK) »
PHEBE Lees christened 07 Apr 1811 St Marys, Handsworth, Staffs to JOHN/ELIZABETH

JOHN Lees christened 26 DEC 1805 Sutton Coldfield, Warwick to JOHN/ELIZABETH


1861 she is PHOEBE Lees c 1811 Handsworth, Housekeeper as Bev said
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)
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