Robert dodd snr. A bad man?

[rob g]

Hi. Haven't been here for a while. A relative asked me something about a shared ancestor. Robert dodd. B. Ireland. And here it gets confusing. He's down with lots of different birth dates. All Ireland. And  dates taken In mainly Ulverston Lancashire. I have him in 1851 census b.1820.. in. 1881 census. Estimated b 1811..and imprisoned. In 1860. B.1808. Also his wife Margaret. Born Ulverston Lancashire. In 1815. And  On 1881 census. She seems to have different birth dates too. Seems to be a bad lot. He's in court. 5th nov 1863. For throwing a object at his wife Margaret. And splitting her head..they had both been in court 6th may 1858 for stealing game. He has a long criminal record. His son Robert dodd. B. 1841 was even worse.. nearly killing my g.g. grandmother. Sarah. Dodd. Whilst pregnant! spending time on prison hulks.  I'm looking for information on Margaret dodd. My 3 times grandmother.her maiden name.  Etc. And more on Robert dodd. B..1815???or about. I can't find him in some of the censuses. I only have 1851. When he is with his brother in law James Smith in Ulverston. And 1881 cencus Ulverston. I know he came from Ireland. And he was a.bad un. But would love to know more. Regards rob

[trish1120]

In one Census Robert is with his Smith In Laws.

Is this them in 1851 born Westmorland
1851 Census
Robert Dodd   30
Margt Dodd   36
Ann Dodd   17
John Dodd   13
James Dodd 11
Robert Dodd 3
Ellen Dodd   1 mth



DODD, ELLEN, Mothers maiden name SMITH**** 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in THE PRESTON UNION  Volume 21  Page 729

DODD, ROBERT, Mothers mn SMITH** 
GRO Reference: 1848  J Quarter in ULVERSTONE UNION  Volume 25  Page 230

[trish1120]

Ok bear with me here!

Marriage Reg;
Sept 1845 Ulverston 25 199
Robert DODD/Margaret PARK on same page.

I though this may be a second Marriage as there was a gap in Childrens ages 1851 Census.

Margaret may be a Widow, mn Smith.

[trish1120]

This seems to be Margaret and 1st 3 children in Ulverston in 1841 Census;
Margaret Park 30 Lodging House Keeper
Ann Park   6
John Park   3
James Park 1

There is a Smith Family next door,

Could Robert be enumerated twice in 1851?

1851 we have;
James Smith 29
Mary Smith 29
John Smith 6
James Smith 4
Thos Smith 18 mths
Thos Smith 25
John Greenwood 22
James Ashton 21
Robert Dodd 31 Brother in Law Mar Labourer born Ireland********

Now a correction has James as James ATHERSMITH and there is this Marriage;

   
09 Apr 1831, Lancaster, Lancashire
Margaret ATHERSMITH to Thomas PARK

James was christened 26 Aug 1822 Ulverston to JOHN/MARY Arrowsmith

1841 Margaret Park is living next to John/Mary Smith

[trish1120]

FreeBMD;
Deaths Sep 1840
Park    Thomas Ulverstone  25 110
GRO has him as age 31***

Baptisms Ulverston
JOHN Park 1838 (no date given)
JAMES Park 12 Apr 1840 (birth 12 April 1840)
Parents THOMAS/MARGARET
Possible for ANNE Park 30 Nov 1834 Egton-with-Newland + MARY Park same place 11 Aug 1833
to THOMAS/MARGARET
(F/S.Org)

[rob g]

Just looking thru.  Your kind replies trish. Its mystery within mystery trying to work it out. Certainly gives me a bone to chew. And more questions. I've only got a smart phone.lol so not that easy.lol. however bad they both were. My g.grandmother gave her eldest son his name Robert.? And its passed father to fir son for six generations.

[Maiden Stone]

Robert dodd. B. Ireland. And here it gets confusing. He's down with lots of different birth dates. All Ireland. And  dates taken In mainly Ulverston Lancashire. I have him in 1851 census b.1820.. in. 1881 census. Estimated b 1811..and imprisoned. In 1860. B.1808.

It wasn't unusual for person born early 19th century not to have known their real age.  This was even more likely for people born in Ireland. Generally speaking, the age a person gave when a young adult was likely to be nearer the actual age than an age they claimed in later life. When he was in prison it may have suited him to be thought older than he was, perhaps in order to avoid hard labour.
Ages of some of my Irish ancestors born c.1810 - c.1850 were a decade or so out on census returns.

[Maiden Stone]

Now a correction has James as James ATHERSMITH and there is this Marriage;
09 Apr 1831, Lancaster, Lancashire
Margaret ATHERSMITH to Thomas PARK

James was christened 26 Aug 1822 Ulverston to JOHN/MARY Arrowsmith

Thomas ATHERSMITH was baptised at St. Mary, Ulverston on 7th Sept. 1828; parents John & Mary, abode Ulverston. John's occupation was nailer. 
Sarah ATHERSMITH, aged 1 was buried at St. Mary, Ulverston on 5th August 1821. Abode Ulverston. No parents named.
Transcriptions on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks. www.lan-opc.org.uk/Ulverston/index.html
LAN-OPC has registers for St. Mary, Ulverston only until 1841.

[Maiden Stone]

Following on from reply #7.  More baptisms to parents John & Mary ARROWSMITH at St. Mary, Ulverston:
1818 John and Mary (twins)
17th Sept. 1820 Sarah*
1822 James (previously posted by Trish)
20th Feb. 1825 Sarah
Abode for all was Ulverston and John's occupation was nailer.
*She was probably Sarah who was buried August 1821. (Reply #7)