Edwin William Ryan born 1914 Auckland (linked to Sidney Rowe?)and brother Winton

[Fresh Fields]

Marriage: [Not sure where 'Slater' fits in]

Minniehaha.

Thanks - post edited and corrected - Alan.

[minniehaha]

The probated will of Edwin Joseph HARVIE......

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GG-4ZYY?i=346&wc=4BVZ-DXR%3A1045247701%2C1579871577&cc=1865481

These Harvie births appear to be the only ones registered:

1896/1450   Harvie   Gertrude Alice   Ann Esther   Edwin Joseph   -   

1900/6737   Harvie   Esther Grace   Ann Esther   Edwin Joseph      


Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

5 Princes Street, Grey Lynn, was where Violet Rowe, common-law wife of Sydney was living in 1915....

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19150928.2.57?query=sydney%20rowe&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1914&end_date=31-12-1915&snippet=true&title=KWE,NZ,NZH,PWT,ROTWKG,TO,ACNZC,AKTIM,NZHAG,FRTIM,ALG,AS,DSC

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM19151020.2.44?query=violet%20rowe&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1914&end_date=31-12-1915&snippet=true

Minniehaha.

[PatsyAnnKelly]

That's how I read it too Alan. Assumed the Redvers was a not too veiled reference/code name for an expected child of Sydney's, then sadly miscarried. Would certainly add to my view that Winton Herbert Ryan/Turner born June 1911 was Sydney's child as was his younger brother Edwin 1914 according to the birth registration.
The houses above look very nice!
PatsyAnn

[PatsyAnnKelly]

Perhaps Daniel Ryan was the landlord of Violet and Sydney to begin with...?
PatsyAnn

[minniehaha]

The Harvie headstone shows details for Ann Esther correctly but her husband is "Edward Joseph"; date of death 30.6.1943.    Although his correct name is shown on a second headstone.

[Actual date of death was 28.6.1940]

https://billiongraves.com/grave/Ann-Esther-Harvie/11060833?referrer=myheritage

No Edward Joseph Harvie death registered in 1943.

Death notice for son, 'Ted' [1913]. Name also shown on headstone…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19130514.2.2.2?query=%20harvie%20canada&start_date=01-01-1913&end_date=31-12-1913&snippet=true

Birth registration not found for him.
Added:
However-

Edwin William HARVIE born about June 1884 (?)…

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18840925.2.18?query=edwin%20harvie&page=5&start_date=01-01-1880&end_date=31-12-1913&snippet=true&title=KWE,NZ,NZH,PWT,ROTWKG,TO,ACNZC,AKTIM,NZHAG,FRTIM,ALG,AS,DSC&type=ARTICLE

Added: Cemetery details in Canada-

Last Name   First Name   Burial Date   Cemetery   Section   Block   Plot
HARVIE   EDWIN   05/08/1913   MOUNT PLEASANT   C   74   4

Some snippets here about Edwin William Harvie......

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=26908

The shipping list referred to in the above link?...

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-61K9-2K8?cc=1609792&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQJDV-8LNM

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19120702.2.40?query=e.%20w.%20harvie&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1906&end_date=31-12-1913&snippet=true


Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

Some more information re the known siblings of Violet Sweet nee Harvie........

Marriages:

1920/9971   Gertrude Alice   Harvie   James Leonard   McWatt
1923/8616   Esther Grace   Harvie   Roderick Matheson   Neeley

Deaths:

1966/40711   Neeley   Esther Grace   66Y
1972/43550   Neeley   Roderick Matheson   75Y

Probated will- Esther Grace Neeley:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14772019

Probated will- Roderick Matheson Neeley [can be viewed/downloaded for free]. Second wife and children named.

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13103750&digital=yes

His WW1 file:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21379590&digital=yes

Marriage notices:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ROTWKG19201124.2.15?query=gertrude%20alice%20harvie&start_date=01-01-1920&end_date=31-12-1920&snippet=true

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PWT19201112.2.11?query=gertrude%20alice%20harvie&start_date=01-01-1920&end_date=31-12-1920&snippet=true

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19201209.2.2.3?query=gertrude%20alice%20harvie&start_date=01-01-1920&end_date=31-12-1920&snippet=true


Divorce files Gertrude Alice McWatt:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21379590&digital=yes


https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22651865


Minniehaha.

[Fresh Fields]

Another late night of research.

PLEASE NOTE in repy #85 the divorce decree absolute, should read the year later, so therefore 15-6-1912

Aplogies - Alan.

[rowetown]

Hi there

Violet Sweet Harvie was my great grandmother
Her name was on birth record was incorrectly recorded as
Violet Sweet HARIRE 1883/5510
Parents Ann Esther and Edwin Joseph

Thank you Pat and everyone for all your time effort and research into discovering all the information thus far regarding my great grandfather Sydney (aka Sidney) Rowe

My grandfather was Winton Herbert Ryan and we never knew he was not a Ryan!
He had on his marriage certificate to my grandmother that his father was Herbert William Ryan
Interesting as his middle name was Herbert and his brother Edwin was William then add the Ryan

I am still not sure as to why he changed his name to Ryan???  after Violet marrying Daniel Ryan in 1918 but divorcing a few years later??

Also I'm interested to find out what happened between Syndey and Violet's relationship as he married Olive in 1917 and Bernard Sydney also born 1917
Violet also marring Daniel Ryan (possibly the landlord)? in 1918???

Why did Sydney not keep in touch with his two sons to Violet?

Is 1936 the correct date of name change by deed poll of Winton Herbert Turner to Ryan or is it meant as changed before 1936??  It seems strange that he would change it to Ryan after Violet divorced Daniel Ryan on grounds of desertion in 1928

I am eternally grateful for the information provided by all of you as it has finally helped in piecing the puzzle together

With kindest regards and gratitude
Actually a Rowe

The probated will of Edwin Joseph HARVIE......

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9GG-4ZYY?i=346&wc=4BVZ-DXR%3A1045247701%2C1579871577&cc=1865481

These Harvie births appear to be the only ones registered:

1896/1450   Harvie   Gertrude Alice   Ann Esther   Edwin Joseph   -   

1900/6737   Harvie   Esther Grace   Ann Esther   Edwin Joseph      


Minniehaha.