Edwin William Ryan born 1914 Auckland (linked to Sidney Rowe?)and brother Winton

[PatsyAnnKelly]

Not checked his file before Minnie so will read it now. Those WW1 records are very interesting. I have checked them for a couple of Sydney Rowe's brothers. The Rowe men had all been involved in brass bands and militia prior to joining up.
Thanks again
Patsy

[Fresh Fields]

Hi PatsyAnn.

There are 3 Princes Street's in Auckland and oddly enough none are in Grey Lynn nor would they have ever been considered to be in Grey Lynn which is why I found that address curious.
The first Princes Street is in the centre of the city (where old Auckland Government House is),the second is in Onehunga and the third is in Otahuhu.

Cheers Janette

Hello Janette

When I saw your comment I just assumed you had consutled David VERRAN'S Auckland street names guide, but for the life of me I could not track it down on the Auckland Library site, and have only done so now, after phoning the library for their on-line link. My link was lost with the change from dial up emails, many moons ago.

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/streets/streets.html

Even last night, I was telling PatsyAnn that I had yet to find a survey plan for section 9, Parish of Waitemata, but I did NOT believe it was the CBD Princes Street. The great interactive CBD map of 1908/09 did not have a Turner as an owner nor occupier. [Click on blue pins.]

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/CityArchives/1908Map/browse1908map.htm

Mystery solved now. The Deed 186217 R24588336 refers to a section on Webber Street, Grey Lynn.

With the length of lot 12, being three times the width, the section will probably have a Webber Street address today of:- 5, 7, 9, 11 or 13. [The grey boxes on Google Maps]

Will up date the thread, re the Archives research results, when the last photos have been prepared and sent to PatsyAnn.

Alan.

[PatsyAnnKelly]

Great research . Thanks very much Alan for all the info. Amazing.
PatsyAnn

[Fresh Fields]

Hi all.  A fair bit of data so will split. Not sure of the character limit per post.

Hello all contributors.

On August 15th & 16th  I was able to look up three references, at the Auckland branch of Archives NZ that are not available for viewing on line. A considerable number of photos were taken, and some 70 odd were supplied privately to PatsyAnn.  A lot of the divorce proceedings file was repetitive papers re compliance, and the serving of notice, of the petition. Times were very tough for those without secure employment, and that is particularly reflected in the three items of correspondence that were tabled.

Two, pre hearing, distressed pleas from a distraught mother [Violet] to Frank, re seeing the children.  Neither dated. One in hard to read pencil writing on a card, without addresses, and the penned letter was from Queen St Onehunga, where Violet stated she was about to leave Auckland for a situation where she could get £1 per week, and allowed to keep a baby.

Eight page letter addressed to Mrs V Turner, Ororke Street Onehunga, dated August 14th 1910 and addressed inside to My darling wife. [Many Darlings throughout] Letter was from Syd, in Wellington seeking work as a presser, and intro to the Master of the Mirimar Band….send for you soon…how are Nessie & Reggie…sorry about loosing Redvers [? FF] … warning about giving show away. Wish she could join him soon, when secure with a job.

For the record.

Government Advances to settlers Act 1906.  Deed 186217 Archives Ref; R24588336

Mortgagor Daniel RYAN, a butcher of Grey Lynn, Auckland. Princes Street, Lot 12 section 4, Suburban Allotments ONE & TWO of section NINE, Parish of Waitemata.
[FF Note: Princes Street know known as Webber Street. Auckland Central Library (Heritage) David VERRAN’S Auckland street name guide, through time, including name changes.]

Deed of Mortgage, and an additional advance were signed by Daniel RYAN, and each were witnessed by the NEWTON Postmaster, Auckland. £300 25/9/1907 &   £30 29/7/1908.  18A 444 3/8/1908, & Deed 191665 R150 page 456. [FF Yet to order and view] Dates of discharge of total Mortgage dues 8/3/1938 & 25/3/1938  599/125.

[Fresh Fields]

BUT WAIT ... there is more 2/..


NZNA R16697152  Frank TURNER v Violet Sweet TURNER [Respondent] & Sydney ROWE [Co-respondent]

22/7/1911 Petition of Frank TURNER of Wharf Road Herne Bay Auckland. Coppersmith.

Respondent/s resident at Newton Road. Issue of Citation 9/8/1911. Hearing 14/8/1911, Subpoena 21/8/1911. Decree Nisi Absolute 15/6/1911.

Following marriage, petitioner cohabited at Mt Roskill, and other places. 

Issue of marriage; Frank Regional Cyril TURNER b. 23/9/1903 and Ester Flora TURNER b. 1/6/1905. Petitioner seeks custody.

Statement that Violet left home 16th of February 1911. From March 8th 1911, lived with Sydney ROWE of Auckland, a Tailor’s presser. At various places, and particularly Newton Road, Auckland.

Also tabled.

Copy of marriage certificate. January 10th 1903. Mary & Charles ROSE Onehunga, witnesses.

Frank TURNER 23 Coppersmith, bachelor.

Father; John Thomas TURNER; Railway Guard, Wellington. Mother, Emma TURNER / SLATER

& Violet Sweet TURNER 21, spinster.

Father; Edwin Joseph HARVIE; Painter, Wellington. Mother; Ann Esther HARVIE / BARNES  [Blue correction due to transcribing error]

DEED POLL name change.  R25694896 Court filing date 12/2/1935  Winton Herbert TURNER to Winton Herbert RYAN. Correction thanks to eagle eyed Minniehaha

Winton Herbert TURNER … company secretary of Auckland …for many years … renounce and abandon the said original surname of TURNER  … and adopt the said surname of RYAN. Petition filed by F. R. FOOTE, Solicitor of Auckland. 

[Note OP & forum posts #9 - #13  incorrect assumption re name change, and my slip up re Mortgagee / Mortgagor.]

W. H. TURNER historic birth registration shows up as 1/6/1911, but to my surprise, no birth certificate was attached to the deed poll application.

Alan.

[minniehaha]

Brilliant job Alan! A lot of work involved, well done.   

I have been following this topic with interest both here and behind the scenes. Archives and Papers Past have revealed so much. It is not easy to keep up with it all.....


Minniehaha.

[PatsyAnnKelly]

 Marvellous to know so much about this family now, and their many trials and tribulations. Thanks so much Alan for digging deep into the archives with such energy and generosity and thanks to everyone for their great contributions. I am very grateful Patsy

[minniehaha]

1933/9497   Harvie   Ann Esther   74Y

1940/26204   Harvie   Edwin Joseph   81Y

Obituary of Edwin Joseph Harvie:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ROTWKG19400703.2.24?query=edwin%20joseph%20harvie&start_date=01-01-1940&end_date=31-12-1940&snippet=true

Added:

Bereavement  notice [1933]…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19331018.2.2.4?query=e.%20j.%20harvie&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1933&end_date=31-12-1934&snippet=true&title=KWE,NZ,NZH,PWT,ROTWKG,TO,ACNZC,AKTIM,NZHAG,FRTIM,ALG,AS,DSC

Marriage: [Not sure where 'Slater' fits in]

1882/1221   Ann Esther   Barnes   Edwin Joseph   Harvie


Minniehaha.

[Fresh Fields]

Yep, to keep tabs I should really create a time line. Edited my post re an assumption, then realized later that the Syd letter was dated August 1910 not August 1911. Posibility that the "Redvers" comment referred to the early miscarrage of a child by Syd in August 1910.  H/W current Webber St homes.

Alan