WDYTYA - Jack & Michael Whitehall 5/8/19

[davidft]

Thank you, yes that makes sense.

[chris_49]

Going way off topic here, but this later Thomas Phillips employed Richard Dadd, the artist who later stabbed his father to death, and painted the picture that turned up on the Antiques Roadshow in Barnstaple, and sold for a tidy sum?

Or not, if the rest of the article is dubious.

[BillyF]

Michael's ancestry was covered by "Coming Home" a much more polished show for the family historian.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00w5bp1
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I think it must have been before we came to live in Wales ! I really enjoyed the series we did see; we could have another one !

[BillyF]

Michael's ancestry was covered by "Coming Home" a much more polished show for the family historian.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00w5bp1

I think it must have been before we came to live in Wales ! I really enjoyed the series we did see; we could have another one !
 I`ve got the quotes wrong !!

[loobylooayr]

I think this is a Wikipedia mistake. FreeBMD and GRO confirm that Thomas Jones Phillips died in Newport district in 1843 aged 53  - the other two deaths are at 28 (Lymington) and 2 (Carmarthen) so can't be him. The Thomas Philiips 1801-67 would be surely to young to have reached an important positions such as magistrate and mayor before 1839?

I think the events ascribed to Thomas Phillips before about 1842 can be ascribed to Jones Phillips, but that the events after his being "called to the bar" in 1842 - rather late in life, cetrainly for the Newpoer mayor - belong to the life of a different Thomas Phillips.

'Reliable' Wikipedia  - I would agree that they have merged two different men into one.
The Wiki entry reads that Thomas Phillips died unmarried - which was not the case for the Thomas Jones Phillips ancestor of the Whitehalls.

Looby

[ThrelfallYorky]

That just reminded me: I lent a book on Richard Dadd to a friend 4 whole years ago, and haven't got it back - yet! 'Phone call in order!

[ms_canuck]

Again, having spent most of my adult life in Canada, I was completely unaware of who these two were.  However, I share the somewhat minority view that they were funny, and I enjoyed the episode for that aspect and for the Chartist history (esp. as I have Welsh family / ancestors too).

My 2 cents! 

Ms_C

[ThrelfallYorky]

Yes, the Chartist / John Frost bit was very interesting.

[Kiltpin]

I think this is a Wikipedia mistake. FreeBMD and GRO confirm that Thomas Jones Phillips died in Newport district in 1843 aged 53  - the other two deaths are at 28 (Lymington) and 2 (Carmarthen) so can't be him. The Thomas Philiips 1801-67 would be surely to young to have reached an important positions such as magistrate and mayor before 1839?

I think the events ascribed to Thomas Phillips before about 1842 can be ascribed to Jones Phillips, but that the events after his being "called to the bar" in 1842 - rather late in life, cetrainly for the Newpoer mayor - belong to the life of a different Thomas Phillips.

 

You are quite right, a mistake has been made. There is currently a team working on rectifying it. They have so far identified two "Thomas Phillips", but there is the possibility of a third. With, or without, the "Jones".

Up until Monday evening nobody knew of a possible conflict - now they do. Once it is sorted, alterations will be made. The pity is that information will be removed if it cannot be positively attributed to one man or the other. 

Regards 

Chas