Charles Thompson of Hackney Prior to 1888

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Charles Thompson -  b abt 1865 Hackney, London, England - death unknown
Marriage 4 Nov 1888 • St Mary, Spital Square, England (Charles' Occupation Carman)
Harriet Martin - birth 1869 Bethnal Green, London, England - death 1932 Wandsworth, London, England

Children:-
Agnes Thompson 1891–1949
Charles James Thompson 1893–1962
Susan Thompson 1895–?
Alfred Thompson 1899–?
Harriet Thompson 1901–1993
Elizabeth Thompson 1904–1998
Rosetta Florence Thompson 1910–1994

I am trying to find details of Charles Thompson before the marriage to Harriet.   On the Marriage Cert his father is listed as William Thompson (Deceased) Shoemaker.

I have a potential in 1881 Charles Thompson aged 17 living in Hackney Occupation: Brush Maker, Living with Mother Susanah aged 50
Class: RG11; Piece: 309; Folio: 48; Page: 73

1871 Living in Hackney as a child aged 10 with Mother Susan aged 50 and siblings Thomas Thompson aged 14 & Mary Ann Thompson aged 13
Class: RG10; Piece: 327; Folio: 112; Page: 127

1861 census before Charles was born there is
William Thompson Shoemaker aged 43,  Wife Susannah Thompson aged 36, children Alfred Thompson aged 11 & Mary Ann Thompson aged 6.  Not Sure where Thomas is. 
Class: RG 9; Piece: 159; Folio: 61; Page: 28

I have found a William Thompson in 1851 in Hackney, Occupation Shoemaker. Married (no Family with him)
Class: HO107; Piece: 1505; Folio: 361; Page: 54

I have founs a Sarah Thompson aged 30 at the home of Henry & Mary Ann Hann/Mann with her son Alfred Thompson aged 4 Mo
Class: HO107; Piece: 1550; Folio: 178; Page: 9;

I've not found a marriage between William & Sarah or William & Susan/Susanah.
The 3 children before charles all appear to have the mother's maiden name of Mann.  Nothing that I can find for Charles, so guessing William go together with Susan/Susanah after Sarah passed away. There is a potential death in 1857 in Bethnal Green

If anyone can help me to work out who the mother was of Charles and the birth entry for him I will be most grateful.

Thanks in advance

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[jonwarrn]

The 3 children before charles all appear to have the mother's maiden name of Mann. 

Hi
In Hackney (Middlesex/London, even) I can only find
Mary Ann Thompson, Sep 1855
James, March 1858
George, June 1863

Who may (nothing is certain!) be children of George and Mary in Hackney. Though the parents details vary!
1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-27CR

1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNR-D1B

There's a Charles Thompson, registered June qtr 1861, Hackney, 1b 373, mmn Chapmon (sic)
(bearing in mind "possible" age 10 in 1871)

who might go with
Mary Ann Thompson, June 1855, Hackney, mmn Chapman
William Thompson, June 1859, Hackney, mmn Chapman (particularly if he is the William who died March 1860, age 0)

Another possibilty for Sarah/Alfred in 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-L83H

[jonwarrn]

Charles Thompson, wife Harriett, daughter Agnes, and mother Susan, 65, born Essex Barking, in Hackney in 1891
piece 201 folio 114 page 29
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3B5G-YW2

[jonwarrn]

Susan Chapman, 24, born Essex Barking, in the Hackney workhouse in 1851
And Alfred Chapman, 10 months, born Homerton
piece 1505 folio 669 page 9
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6R-8SN

[jonwarrn]

Maybe?
Birth
CHAPMAN, ALFRED       
Mother's Maiden Surname: — 
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in HACKNEY UNION  Volume 03  Page 181

Baptism at Hackney St John, 7 June 1850 (on ancestry)
Mother Susan

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Charles Thompson, wife Harriett, daughter Agnes, and mother Susan, 65, born Essex Barking, in Hackney in 1891
piece 201 folio 114 page 29
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3B5G-YW2

Thanks, I have that one

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Susan Chapman, 24, born Essex Barking, in the Hackney workhouse in 1851
And Alfred Chapman, 10 months, born Homerton
piece 1505 folio 669 page 9
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6R-8SN

Thanks, I'll look into it, however Chapman doesn't quite tie in with the Mothers Maiden name of Mann for the first 3 children.

[Riddlebrick]

The 3 children before charles all appear to have the mother's maiden name of Mann. 

Hi
In Hackney (Middlesex/London, even) I can only find
Mary Ann Thompson, Sep 1855
James, March 1858
George, June 1863

Who may (nothing is certain!) be children of George and Mary in Hackney. Though the parents details vary!
1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-27CR

1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNR-D1B

There's a Charles Thompson, registered June qtr 1861, Hackney, 1b 373, mmn Chapmon (sic)
(bearing in mind "possible" age 10 in 1871)

who might go with
Mary Ann Thompson, June 1855, Hackney, mmn Chapman
William Thompson, June 1859, Hackney, mmn Chapman (particularly if he is the William who died March 1860, age 0)

Another possibilty for Sarah/Alfred in 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-L83H

Completely missed this first post, will check it out.