Seeking a birth record for Michael McChrystal (b. c.1857)

[hallmark]

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line

[M_ONeill]

Hallmark, I’m well aware of how to use the Irishgenealogy search, I was simply asking Kelly if she had already found a birth record for Arthur that I hadn’t come across yet.

Also, McChrystal is a particularly difficult name to search for as it has many variants (McChrystal, McCrystal, McCristal, McChriostal, etc) and Irishgenealogy doesn’t do an automatic search for variants - so it’s very easy to miss records during searches.

[heywood]

Kelly,
This looks like Arthur’ birth in case you don’t have it - born in England

1889 March quarter Billericay vol 4a pg 407

Arthur McChrystal mmn Henry

1891 census living in St Pancras
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q7J5-7MM

1901 - living at Uncle Michael’s in Desertmartin
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Desertmartin/Annagh_or_Moneysterling/1532407/


1911 - with his family in Wigan
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYH-2MB

Just in case you haven’t got it, here is the marriage of Arthur of Annagh, (father Michael) to Ellen Henry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10882/5974386.pdf

Heywood

[M_ONeill]

Heywood, thanks for posting that. For some reason, I hadn't made the connection that these two nephews were the same people as in the England census returns.

Kelly, if this Arthur is indeed your great-grandfather, then that means he spent some time living in the same house as my great-grandmother Helena ('Lena') McChrystal . I've attached a photo of her below. It was taken, I believe, sometime in the 1920s.

As a side note, Arthur's brother (listed here as Michael Thomas) was in full Michael Thomas Aloysius McChrystal. He also went back to England and I believe served in the Royal Field Artillery in India during WWI, though I've yet to find time dive into the military records on that one.

[heywood]

Hopefully confirms the two nephews -they are not with their family in 1901 in Wales
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91M-Q1L

[M_ONeill]

I agree, was just looking at that record myself! Given how many children Arthur and Ellen had, it wouldn't surprise me if they'd sent Michael Thomas and Arthur away to their uncle and aunt's to ease some economic pressure on the family.

[heywood]

Probably, although it is only one night’s record so we don’t know how long they were there.
They might have been a help around the place too.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

earlier records for the interested
starting near the beginning of records in Ireland
1622 muster rolls none see http://www.billmacafee.com
1630 muster rolls none http://www.billmacafee.com
1669 hearth money rolls none http://www.billmacafee.com
column headings
Record No.   No. in Barony List   County   Barony   Parish   Townland (Modern Spelling)   Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Surname [Standardised]

2160   Antrim   Kilconway   Rasharkin   Gortegerhy   Gortrefee   Grany   Christell   McCrystal
2174   Antrim   Kilconway   Rasharkin   Ballydonnelly   Ballynedonly   Brian   McCrestle   McCrystal
2175   Antrim   Kilconway   Rasharkin   Ballydonnelly   Ballynedonly   Brian   McCrestle   McCrystal
795   L'Derry   Keenaght   Drumachose   Drummond Drummont Robert   Christall   McCrystal
2199   L'Derry   Loughinsholin   Desertmartin   Grange   Grainge Owen M'Christall   McCrystal
2200   L'Derry   Loughinsholin   Desertmartin   Grange   Grainge   Brian   M'Christall   McCrystal
41   Tyrone   Clogher   Clogher   Ballynagurragh   Ballinagourah   John   Christell   McCrystal
625   Tyrone   Strabane Upper   Bodoney   Learden   Leardan   Patrick   m'Christall   McCrystal

1740 protestantreturns derry http://www.billmacafee.com
McCrystal   McCristall   Wid   Loughinsholin   Desertmartin   Not specified
McCrystal   McCristall   Henry   Loughinsholin   Desertmartin   Not specified
McCrystal   McCristel   Patk   Loughinsholin   Maghera   Not specified
McCrystal   McCrestal   Danl   Loughinsholin   Maghera   Not specified

1796 Flax growers of Ireland see https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/derry.php
M'Chrystal         Daniel                  Desertmartin                 Derry
M'Chrystal         James                   Desertmartin                 Derry
M'Chrystal         Patrick                 Desertmartin                 Derry
M'Chrystal         Rose                    Desertmartin                 Derry
M'Chrystal         Thomas                  Desertmartin                 Derry
M'Chrystall        John                    Desertmartin                 Derry
M'Crystal          Thomas                  Kilcronaghan                 Derry

[M_ONeill]

Thanks for doing that search, BallyaltikilliganG! I really need to learn how to use some of these older sources in my research. Up until now, I've not gone back far enough on my Irish tree to need them!

I do have a family connection to Grange, Desertmartin, though through another family. The McLaughlins were living there in the late 1880s and early 1900s. Lena McChyrystal married an Eddie John McLaughlin from Grange and lived on a small farm there. My dad even lived with her there for a time as a child!