O'Neill nee Ross-Murphy

[heywood]

1.   Constance married a Patrick O’Neill, sometime after 1922, and whose mother was named Evaleen. Patrick in the Army Census of 1922 was recorded as being in the Infantry with rank of Private. He was aged 19 and living at the time at 14 Dalymount Phibsborough Dublin. He joined up on 31 October 1922 at the Curragh. He had recorded as his next of kin an Uncle, Rev C Ross Murphy (Fr Charlie). According to the Irish Army Military Archivist he served in the Volunteer Reserve was discharged and reenlisted on 2 December 1923 until final discharge on 31 March 1930 from the Volunteer Army. Known issue from the marriage were:
1.   Constance O’Neill
2.   Carmel O’Neill
3.   Hugh O’Neill
According to a ‘Citation for a Proof of Will’ issued by the Deputy Clerk Surrogate’s Court Munroe County NY USA on 31 October 1947 the children and Constance were living at the Curragh Co Kildare in 1947.
Many thanks

Have searched all available online records but nothing has shown up, hence the post.

What is the family connection between Patrick O’Neill, mother Evaleen and Uncle, Fr Charles Murphy?

When and where were Constance, Carmel and Hugh O’Neill born?

[Sinann]

Rev Charles Ross Murphy died 1943
Chief mourners his brother Joseph, nephew Clement, Mrs C Murphy and Major Murphy DSO (relatives)

Clement ? Ross Murphy died 1959 in  Bishopstown Cork, married, aged 71
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1959/04362/4130902.pdf

[heywood]

A Newspaper snippet on FindMyPast expands those names slightly.

I think it reads Mr Joseph Ross Murphy brother, Mrs Murphy, Dublin (sister in law); Mr and Mrs Clement Ross Murphy, Glendalough; Major J L Murphy; Lieut. Cecil Ross Murphy; Miss Josephine Ross Murphy; Miss Joan Ross Murphy (cousins)
There may be more.
Drinagh, you will have all this, I know. There is further info online re Clement.
I just wondered how Patrick O’Neill was the nephew to Fr Charles in addition to Constance being a niece, although perhaps adopted.

Have I misunderstood this.

[Sinann]

What evidence is there that Constance married Patrick, have you got one of the children's birth Certs?

[Drinagh]

'Sinann', many thanks. yes have all the obit and death details for Josephine and as you point out no mention of daughter. Hence my difficulty in tracing. Her father was at sea for most of his life and in earlier documentation occupation given as "seaman". The earlier reference to Constance in 1948 was from my late mother when she was there having my brother. She said she met a Mrs O'Neill who said that her father was a Ross Murphy who had been at sea all his life. By tying together the info from the USA which refers to the relationship, this is why I identified Constance as a child (born or adopted) of Joseph and Josephine. The actual notice is “Joseph R Murphy of 1 Esker Villas, Upper Rathmines, Dublin, Ireland; and, if living, to Patrick O’Neill (son of Evaleen O’Neill and nephew of Ellen R Murphy, dec.,) formerly of Curragh, County Kildare, Ireland; and if he be not living, then to his widow Constance O’Neill and to his distributes and children whose names and residences are as follows: Constance O’Neill, Carmel O’Neill, Hugh O’Neill being the three children of said Patrick O’Neill and all residing at said Curragh, County Kildare, Ireland.”.
Regards

[heywood]

Here is the Murphy family of Garfield Avenue.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines/Garville_Avenue/1295086/

There is a daughter Eveleen.

You posted here for the same information and attached a word document.
https://irelandxo.com/ireland/dublin/message-board/oneill-nee-murphy

Extract:
Patrick O’Neill (son of Evaleen O’Neill and nephew of Ellen R Murphy, dec.,) formerly of Curragh, County Kildare, Ireland

Reading that, I would think that Constance is not the Ross Murphy relative - it is Patrick O’Neill, especially as he give Fr Charles as his n o k.

Added
I have just seen your latest post and have been trying to trace Evaleen’s marriage whilst I composed this - I will still post it even though it repeats some of yours.

[Drinagh]

Haywood and Sinann
I will try and answer your questions in order.
Patrick's father, also Patrick, and Eveleen were married in the UK and I have the record. She is recorded as Eveleen Ross Murphy but I have not been able to find which branch she belongs to. Some of the problems is that on some records the first names have been substituted. This might explain the relationship with Fr Charles.
The obit for him, for which I have the original newspaper clipping, lists among the mourners, Clement, my grandfather, Cecil, my father, Joseph, my granduncle, etc all direct relatives of mine.

I don't know  when and where Constance's children were born but obviously before 1947. Have not been able, at this stage to find birth certs.

There is no documentary evidence that she married Patrick except for the details from the 'proof of will'.

I have search 'freebmd' for a possible birth of Constance but no matches.

[heywood]

Who is Eveleen’s father on her marriage certificate?

[heywood]

Patrick John Hugh O’ Neill   Registered 1903 Southwark.