Roman Catholic Registers

[Canuc]

Not sure if this is the correct board, my apologies

In the Roman Catholic church the church of your baptism is the foundation and then as one moves through the sacraments the event is documented back to the original parish. My question is does a marriage get reported back as well?

The follow on question is how does the second parish document this, is it annotated on the 2nd Parish's Register?

I'm curious because it might just be a way to get a clearer idea where in Ireland a grandfather came from.

As ever, happy hunting
Canuc

[Maiden Stone]

The quick answer is - it depends ….
When, where, and whether a particular priest followed the rules, was meticulous or didn't bother/mislaid notes/forgot ...
The requirement for a marriage to be noted in baptism register applied worldwide from 1908. The Papal decree on marriage, "Ne Temere" 1907,  specified only bride's baptism register but some priests added a marriage to groom's baptism. E.g. a note about my parents' marriage was added to my mother's baptism entry but my maternal granddad's baptism at the same church doesn't mention his marriage. I've not seen my dad's or maternal grandmother's baptism registers so I don't know if either has a note of marriage.
Some priests took it very seriously. A marriage register for a Catholic church recently added to Lancashire Online Parish Clerks' website has place and date of baptisms for most Catholic marriage partners post 1908 or occasionally a note that no record of a baptism was found. 
Some Irish registers for baptisms in late 19thC have notes for some entries re. marriage. I've seen some at foot of page or wherever there was space, so not always next to the baptism entry.
The papal decree on marriage touched on how much effort & expense a parish priest should expend in contacting a person's parish of baptism and decided that use of modern (and expensive) communications such as telegrams was not necessary.
A reason for the change was emigration or internal migration.

[Maiden Stone]

Postscript. Have looked again at the marriage register kept by the careful priest I mentioned in my previous post. St. Mary, Bacup, Marriages 1894-1918. It's only marriages 1914 onwards which include information about baptisms in this register. It seems to coincide with a change of priest. Rev. John Kiely included baptisms for one or both parties, sometimes dates of birth, some have birthdates and baptisms for bride and groom. Rev. Kiely might have been away or ill in early June 1914 because 2 weddings conducted by another priest have no extra information about bride or groom. Rev. Kiely was back on duty later that month and detailed marriage entries resumed. This parish had a high proportion of Irish-born/Irish descent inhabitants. There were a lot of mixed marriages in this parish, more so in the first decade of the century, i.e. pre "Ne Temere".
Marriage registers for same period at St. Mary of the Assumption, Burnley, a few miles away, contain no information about baptisms. Priest at this parish seemed to be concentrating on "regularising" marriages which had taken place in non-Catholic churches. Baptism registers of this parish are on LANOPC. A few baptisms in late 19th and early 20th centuries have a note added about marriage.
www.lan-opc.org.uk

[Canuc]

Maiden Stone,
Thank you for the info. The marriage I'm thinking of is pre 1908 but I'm thinking the Parish Priest was Irish and they may have understood that they were a garrison parish so might just have helped people by reporting back. We'll just have to see (once I'm sure where the registers ended up).

Thank you again
Canuc

[Pennines]

Canuc -- sorry if I have got hold of the 'wrong end of the stick' here -- but is it likely to have been a birth or marriage whilst the father/groom was in the Army?

If so have you checked Army births or Army marriages? They can be accessed on Find My Past and if you find your ancestor you can order a certificate from the GRO in the normal way as you will have some relevant details.

Just go to the A-Z on Find My Past and start typing in 'British Armed Forces' (without the quotes and a list of options for the Armed Forces will appear including births and marriages.

[Canuc]

Pennines,

The particular marriage I'd like to know more about isn't army, it just happens to be the local church, but useful info to know

Thank you
Canuc

[Pennines]

Sorry Canuc -- it was due to you mentionining the 'garrison town' that I thought it may have military connections.

Do you prefer not to give your ancestors names in this case -- as some clever rootschatter may just be able to find your grandfather's birth?

[Deirdre784]

I have found many baptism records annotated with details of a subsequent marriage, but not all are sadly - even in the same area - so i guess it’s a question of how thorough the priest was in his record keeping (much the same with all religions as seen from a large range of parish records).

The only notes i have seen on a marriage record is when one party was not a Catholic.

[Canuc]

Pennines,
I'm in England without my GRO Certs and don't know if St Paulinus in Old Brompton is the same as St Paul's (there being a CofE parish of the same name in the Gillingham area). I just have my Ancestry entry to work with.

As best I know:
William Patrick Murphy
Mary Ann Hogg
m. 1874-02-15
the GRO Ref is "Medway Vol 2a Page 561"


What I was hoping to do was get a lead on his place of baptism (possibly Cork from the 1901 census), and anything extra on Mary (I have muddled up family names from my Grandmother's best effort at writing out what she recalled about her in-laws).

Here goes
Canuc