Kathleen O'Connell (murdered young?) M: Alice Kennedy; F:Patrick O'Connell

[Prue Heron]

There's a Patrick Connell born 9 June 1905 at Foxhall (not far from Charleville). Parents Patrick Connell and wife Mary Kennedy.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01778/1699151.pdf

That does look very interesting... (Alice was wrong.. apologies, I couldn't work out how to delete and was just researching!).  I will look at following posts as we know they had 3 children.. Patrick, Jack and Kathleen.   Fingers crossed.

[Prue Heron]

Prue,

You have quoted your first post but removed Alice. Is that right?

There is this family of Foxhall - Father Patrick and Mother, Mary Kennedy

John 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01821/1712593.pdf

Patrick 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01778/1699151.pdf

Sorry, Shaun,
It took me a while cross checking and I didn’t see your post.

Wow thank you both - certainly looks very promising!!  I have just emailed to the friend.  Just need Kathleen and we've got the jackpot.  Whoop.

[heywood]

I haven’t found a Kathleen yet, Prue.

Was she definitely a sibling and not maybe a relative or neighbour?

[Prue Heron]

Another point, is that there are more children in this family than are recalled 

this is my concern about these ones... they fit so well - especially things like Kennedy; Patrick's year of birth being 1905.  BUT my friend says there were only 3 childen Patrick, Jack and Kathleen.... 

[Prue Heron]

I haven’t found a Kathleen yet, Prue.

Was she definitely a sibling and not maybe a relative or neighbour?

Yes, she's the one that triggered my friend's search.  She would have been his aunty.  (Patrick was his Dad).  She's the one who was supposed to have been murdered but looks like not as no newspapers with such a story.  She died 'young'. 

[heywood]

Have you worked back from your friend via certificates?

Or, found the remembered siblings through marriages etc or parent deaths etc?

[Prue Heron]

Have you worked back from your friend via certificates?

Or, found the remembered siblings through marriages etc or parent deaths etc?

I wish it was that easy :-(  The only thing they have is a burial certificate for Patrick (I'm assuming Grandfather) which they will find when they get back from France to England.  Patrick junior moved to England but went to and fro his Ireland origins and it is what he passed down.  (I appreciate it's vague for these searches!).

[heywood]

Well, hopefully that will help or be a start at least 

[Prue Heron]

My friends have asked me to thank you for researching for them.  They are excited about this new O'Connell/Mary Kennedy find.  They are looking at the births and census.  I am wondering if it was common for children to die young then so later child arrivals didn't know about predecessors.  Anyway, passing on their thanks and quite appreciate if that is the end of the road!