Kathleen O'Connell (murdered young?) M: Alice Kennedy; F:Patrick O'Connell

[ShaunJ]

I would have thought there would be something in the newspapers if she had been murdered young

It would have been all over the newspapers. So there is something wrong about the family story.

There was a murder of a teenage girl in Charleville in 1909 - but that was a Bridget Gayer.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/offbeat/murder-in-charleville-the-killing-of-bridget-gayer-1.3737900

[Sinann]

There was a Kate Connell hit by a train in 1905, aged 23 she was a servant of John Frost.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05575/4565818.pdf

[conahy calling]

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http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/Sch039.pdf    Link about Mount St Vincent which was an orphanage

This is address of the girl on death cert at reply no 7  so hard to know if its the correct person

[Prue Heron]

I would have thought there would be something in the newspapers if she had been murdered young

It would have been all over the newspapers. So there is something wrong about the family story.

There was a murder of a teenage girl in Charleville in 1909 - but that was a Bridget Gayer.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/offbeat/murder-in-charleville-the-killing-of-bridget-gayer-1.3737900

Yes, agree with you but makes you wonder how it could have got distorted that much!

[Prue Heron]

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http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/Sch039.pdf    Link about Mount St Vincent which was an orphanage

This is address of the girl on death cert at reply no 7  so hard to know if its the correct person

Fascinating though... thank you...so much.. I will keep on keeping on. 

[Prue Heron]

Thanks to everyone who has helped so far.  I have spoken to my friend again (John O'Connell is her husband) and they would like to find Kathleen's grave and story.  Sorry but there is so little extra material.  John thinks his father, Patrick, was born in 1905 - later than Kathleen.  There were only two other siblings, Jack and Kathleen.  And he remembers they lived in Charleville.

Sorry this is so sketchy.  I'm not holding out a great deal of hope.  I do think that train accident death looks like a 'possible' and am sending it over to them.   They are also going to order that death certificate for the 15 year old.  Will keep you posted.

[Sinann]

There was a inquest into the train accident death which appeared in thr Limerick Chronicle. Unfortunately the coverage of that paper starts too late on Irish Newspaper Archives.
Perhaps the paper would be willing to help.

Kate appears on page 84
http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromtheLimerickChronicle/Alphabeticallistingsofobituariesdeathnoticesetc/alphabetical1%20C.pdf

[Dundee]

They are also going to order that death certificate for the 15 year old.  Will keep you posted.

Why would you pay for a copy when it is free online?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05392/4505440.pdf

Name   KATHLEEN OCONNELL
Date of Death   1911
Group Registration ID   5180872
SR District/Reg Area   Limerick
Deceased Age at Death   15

Debra 

[Dundee]

John thinks his father, Patrick, was born in 1905 - later than Kathleen.  There were only two other siblings, Jack and Kathleen.  And he remembers they lived in Charleville.

In that case the family of Patrick O'CONNELL and Alice KENNEDY detailed previously in this thread is not the right family as they had ten children and didn't live in Charleville.

Debra