Thanks MaxD, thinking perhaps of 87th & searching for birthplace & parents of Philip Murray said to have been born in Senzy or Penzy - not yet identified - near Chatham in Feb 1814 [see name interests]. A long standing brick wall with which I have bored rootschatters for some years!! Using your advice, seems 87th were in Orthez & Toulouse about that time but Philip was from [Killeen, Borrisokane] Tipperary where I have read 87th were raised. Both Philip & his son enlisted in the 87th so I wondered if Philip's father did too. His father may have been in transit at Chatham for some Napoleonic destination when Philip was born, so many regiments in the frame. Probably means that his father was sergeant or above for his wife to have been with the regiment.