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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #54 on: Friday 19 July 19 12:39 BST (UK) »
1901 entry has Thomas and Charlotte back in the household: Elizabeth Scott 48 Employer's Wife (stone Quarrier) b. Motherwell. Address: The Green, Cambusnethan Lanark

Monica thought this was the same family and wondered where John was ..This looks like him on the 1901 census address Hydropathic Moffat Dumfrieshire (must be some sort of hospital/clinic.)

Rosie

A hydropathic institute was (quote): "a 19th century spa building, usually consisting of a hotel with baths used for water treatment" As hydro means "water" I suppose it is similar to the Thalasso spas of today. This form of spa treatment was very popular in Germany until around 1985 when medical insurance stopped paying for most of the "cures". If you had light medical problems (heart, lungs, bone joints, overweight, depression etc.) the local doctor put in a request and off you went for 8 weeks. Every day started with baths, massage, medical check-ups and after lunch the rest of the day was free: walking in the woods, sitting in cafes, dancing in the evening. Everybody had a single stylish room with a shower and toilet but one had to be in by 22:30, Saturdays 23:00. Weekends were free of appointments. But there were side effects, "Kurschatten" being one of them - many patients were married, not appreciated, bored and run down. After the first week they had recovered, looked better, felt better and it was fertile ground for having an affair. So within no time at all one had a girl- or boyfriend who was called a "Kurschatten" or "cure shadow) to follow one around for the next 7 weeks. Yes - the good old days, but a lot of marriages were ruined by the system ...

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #55 on: Friday 19 July 19 12:46 BST (UK) »
Your grandfather must have been quite a guy Lionel. "Ganze geil" auf Deutsch. There must be something in the water here in Wishaw  ;D It comes from the resevoir at Daer in the Leadhills, perhaps it's the lead? If you know the old expression about lead and pencils  :P
If you let me know where in Wishaw your father was born, I will have a look and, if the house has survived, I'll send a picture (unless you already have one?).
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #56 on: Friday 19 July 19 12:47 BST (UK) »
Odd name for a hotel but linked to its luxurious spa facilities it seems!

Monica

As explained just now, I doubt if it would have been classified or named as a hotel - although the "Moffat Holiday Inn Hydropathic" could have been a real fun option! Thanks for the photo!
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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #57 on: Friday 19 July 19 12:56 BST (UK) »
Divorce papers refs for Mary and William showing here

Monica

Yes, I have this information already, but you should see the newspaper report on divorce no. 2 with "Enid Muriel Bell (Tawyer)" - even the "Daily Mirror" in London would have died laughing. 
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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #58 on: Friday 19 July 19 13:05 BST (UK) »
Not much info to work from on this entry other than ages would fit:

Mrs Bell 36
Master J Bell 9

Monica

I doubt if this could be he - travelling back to Australia with the family in the middle of WW1 with the chance of being sunk by a submarine is something I would not have done. I would have gone on ahead until the situation changed. You never know who you might meet on the ship ...
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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #59 on: Friday 19 July 19 13:08 BST (UK) »
See what you mean about how much William liked the use of the name Gladstone... The family in London for 1911 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW4H-ZJ7:

Monica

This was very interesting, thanks, he must have been on his way out to Australia, though I thought he had probaly gone a month or so earlier.
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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #60 on: Friday 19 July 19 13:08 BST (UK) »
Wow! That's really airing your dirty laundry in public, I can imagine how scandalised everyone must have been. What a find.

A "Hydro" is a term everyone here in Scotland is probably aware of, there were several Hydropathics around the country. Crieff Hydro and Dunblane Hydro are two which are still going strong. There was one at Seamill and another up north, Strathpeffer I think.
The one at Crieff (I was there to meet an elderly cousin a few weeks ago) used to be a "Temperance Hotel", which meant that it did not sell alcohol of any kind, not sure if it was the same rule for all the others but I wouldn't be surprised. It was the Victorian "healthy body - healthy mind idea.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #61 on: Friday 19 July 19 13:12 BST (UK) »
This entry from Jan 1911 mentions that Gladstone is due back in Sydney in a few months following a trip to Europe https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15246845

Monica

Yes, I have this - he was supposed to be back at the end of March 1911 bus the census is from 02.04.1911 and it took around 40 days to get to Australia .
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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #62 on: Friday 19 July 19 13:47 BST (UK) »
Good find Monica  ;)
A record for a John S Bell age 22 ( motor represtentive )

Rosie

Great! He was indeed a "motor repsentative" though I have no great ideas as to what he actually did between 1928 and 1939. I have some old photos, taken starting in 1931 but otherwise without dates. The album is the property of "Eng. J. Stevenson Bell, 'The Bungalow', Thorn Drive, Bearsden, Scotland" although why the "Eng." I don't know. The album contains photos (suprise!) of the Clyde shipbuilding yards, docks in Glasgow, planes at Renfrew and the "Tam O' Shanter" Inn in Ayr of Burns' fame ("Auld Ayr, wham ne're a town supasses for honest men and bonnie lasses" - sorry, I'm a Burns' and an Ayr fan). Other photos show freighters and tankers on which he was obviously not a passenger, but not necessarily working: "SS Copeland", "SS Varna" (sunk 1941), motor yacht "Musme" transferring from Falmouth to the Clyde in 3 days and the "SS Arenia". The photo attached comes from a similar photo album just found in Adrian's possession and was obvious taken from the "Largs Bay" in 1928.
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