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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 18 July 19 10:28 BST (UK) »
An amazing story Lionel and my apologies, we sometimes get too ahead of ourselves on the Lanarkshire List. I don't mind helping others with their research but there is no point in duplicating the work you may know already or, as some people tend to do here, do research for you that you are capeable of doing by yourself. Genealogy should be a fun hobby and I do feel that some on the list take away the fun of discovery.
What we will try to do for you is to find things at a local level which would be impossible for you to find from the other side of the world. Scotlandspeople is a great site and it is just as accessible to you as it is to us. We will help when you get stuck.

Part of Dalziel civil parish was in the postal town of Wishaw but most of it was in the postal town of Motherwell. In 1925 the two burghs, Motherwell & Wishaw, merged to become the burgh of Motherwell and Wishaw.
According to the Scotlandspeople free index, John Stevenson Bell was born in the civil parish of Cambusnethan (so most likely Wishaw) in 1906.

I am going to find out where, in Wishaw Main Street number 200 is (or was).

Good luck with your research and get back to us once you sort out the muddle we sent!
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 18 July 19 10:40 BST (UK) »
Marriage also on Scotlands people
William Ewart G Bell
Mary Pennycook Scott
1904 Cambusnethan
And the birth for John Stevenson Bell 1906 as Lodger has posted

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 18 July 19 12:01 BST (UK) »
Lionel I see you caught up with your Grannie at last  ;) www.findagrave.com
Australian Cemetery Index
Mary Penequick Bell
Died 16 May 1950
Age 72 birth year 1878
Alma Mater Private Hospital Randwick NSW

Interesting story glad we have all been able to help

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 18 July 19 12:06 BST (UK) »
Mary Pennycuik Whapole Scott

Is there are naming pattern here

Mary (first name) Pennycuik (mothers surname) Whapole (mother's mother's surname) fathers surname (Scott)

My Scottish born Grandmother had a simmilar name pattern, it is a way of preseving the female sides surnames in living history.

Glad, they stopped it before me, or my name would have been longer.
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)


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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 18 July 19 12:12 BST (UK) »
That 1891 census looks likely, Rosie. 1901 entry has Thomas and Charlotte back in the household:

Elizabeth Scott 48 Employer's Wife (stone Quarrier) b. Motherwell
Thomas H Scott 24
Lottia Scott 23
Maude Scott 14
Alice Scott 12
Jean Davis 16 Visitor
...and four servants

Address: The Green, Cambusnethan Lanark

Yes Monica thought this was the same family and wondered where John was ..This looks like him on the 1901 census address Hydropathic Moffat Dumfrieshire ( must be some sort of hospital/clinic
John Scott age 50 born Airdrie occupation Quarry Master & Brickmaker Freestone

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 18 July 19 14:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Lionel

We are just eager to add info to what you may have already  ;)

Thank you for the background you have given here. Goodness busy and interesting lives1

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 18 July 19 14:10 BST (UK) »
Rosie, from your comments re 1901 and John, this looks to be the Hydropathic here https://canmore.org.uk/site/160066/moffat-old-edinburgh-road-hydropathic-hotel

Odd name for a hotel but linked to its luxurious spa facilities it seems!

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 18 July 19 14:45 BST (UK) »
Divorce papers refs for Mary and William showing here if it is something you are interesting in following up www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/350538

The divorce action mentoned here https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16507392

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 18 July 19 15:02 BST (UK) »
Lionel, you mentioned Gladstone (as you have referred to him) arriving in NZ no later that October 1906. You were pretty close! I think this is him arriving in Australia in September that year:

William Bell, 25, a musician
Arrival 10 Sep 1906 Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Persic
Nationality: British

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