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John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« on: Wednesday 17 July 19 13:33 BST (UK) »
According to the Scottish census of 1881, my great-grandfather, John Scott, born 1851, Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland and married to Elizabeth S. Scott, born 1853 in Dalziel, was residing at "Glencairn Lodge", Dalziel with his children: Robert H.B. Scott, born 1877; Charlotte E. K. Scott, born 1878; Mary Pennycuik Whapole Scott, born 1879 (my grandmother) and Thomas K. Scott, born 1881. All  children were born in Dalziel. In addition, in the household was Mary Scott, sister to John Scott, born 1856 and a widow, probably with her children: James King, born 1874 in Cambusnethan,Lanarkshire; Mary P.S. King, born 1875 in Dalziel; Marion R. King, born 1877 in Dalziel; Robert S. King, born 1878 in Dalziel; Archibald R. King, born 1880 in Hamilton, Lanarkshire. If anybody out there has any information as to what happened to the family, I would very much appreciate being informed. Three months ago I had no more information than the name of my grandmother and that she had lived in Scotland; that was all. Thank you for any assistance.
Scott (Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland) and Bell (Sunderland, Durham, England)

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 14:24 BST (UK) »
You need to go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for all the original records. Your Scotts' and Kings' births, as you would expect, are all in the indexes, and for a modest fee you can view the original birth certificates. These will tell you the date and place of their parents' marriage, and the marriage certificate will tell you the full names of the grandparents including the grandmothers' maiden surnames.

I can't see deaths of Charlotte, Mary or Thomas, but a Robert Henry Scott, who may be your Robert H B, died in Cadder in 1945.

Happy hunting!
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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 14:28 BST (UK) »
 If you do a google search for 9 Glencairn Avenue Wishaw, you will find Glencairn Lodge still standing and inhabited today. That part of Dalziel parish was in the postal town of Wishaw. This confuses a lot of people!
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 14:48 BST (UK) »
This is possibly John's birth details:

John Scott b. 1 Dec 1850 New Monkland, Lanark,
Parents Robert Scott and Mary Pennycuik

John's marriage or death cert should include his parents' details to let you confirm their details.

Monica
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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 15:08 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage for Thomas King Scott
Married 6 May 1907
Renfrew Ontario Canada
Spouse Jane Elizabeth Thompson
Father John Scott
Mother Elizabeth King
Birth Lanark Scotland

WWWI Attestation Papers
Thomas King Scott
Birth 6 August Motherwell Scotland
Occupation African Merchant
Next of Kin wife Mrs J E Scott

Death for Thomas King Scott
16 September 1939 age 59
Victoria British Columbia

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 15:19 BST (UK) »
Probate for Elizabeth Snell King Scott died 16 May 1918 Skelmore Testate confirmation  granted Glasgow 3 June to Charlotte Elizabeth Snell King or Smith Inglehorn South Beach Troon her daughter
And Robert Henry Brownlie Scott 33.Kelvenhaugh Street Glasgow son ..Executors nominated in will or deed dated 17/10/1912 and recorded with another writ in court books of commisariot of Lanark 16 May 1919 Value of estate £1,186.0s 4 d

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 15:21 BST (UK) »
Three extracts from the burial records of Cambusnethan cemetery, Wishaw.
All three are interred in plot A40. Dates are of internment.

MARY A.M. SCOTT, Motherwell, aged 3 months.
Parents - John Scott & Elizabeth King.
22 June 1885.

THOMAS SCOTT, salesman, Wishaw, aged 28 years, unmarried.
Parents - Robert Scott & Mary Pennycuik.
15 May 1894.

ROBERT SCOTT, mason, Motherwell, aged 37 years, married.
Parents - Robert Scott & Mary Pennycuik.
30 October 1895.

Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 15:37 BST (UK) »
1881 census from Ancestry.

200 Main Street Wishaw.

SCOTT Robert, head, aged 56 years, hotel keeper, born Bellshill Lanarkshire.
SCOTT Mary P. Wife, aged 55,  hotel keepers assistant, born New Monkland Lanarkshire.
SCOTT Robert, son, aged 22, hotel keepers assistant, born New Monkland.
SCOTT Jeanie, daughter, aged 20. Born New Monkland.
SCOTT Jessie, daughter, aged 16, born Carluke, Lanarkshire.
SCOTT Thomas, son, aged 13, born Carluke.
GILCHRIST Agnes, daughter, aged 32, born New Monkland.
GILCHRIST Charles, grandson, aged 7, born Wishaw.
GILCHRIST Robert, grandson, aged 5, born Wishaw.
KING Henry John, son-in-law, aged 36, quarrymaster, born Dalziel.
KING Margaret, daughter, aged 34, born New Monkland.
KING Mary P. granddaughter, aged 9 years, born Wishaw.
KING Charlotte E.S. granddaughter, aged 7 years, born Wishaw.
KING Thomas, grandson, aged 5 years, born Wishaw.
KING Robert S. grandson, aged 4 years, born Wishaw.
KING Henry J. grandson, aged 7 months, born Bellside, Lanarkshire.
ROY Mary, general servant, aged 21, born Slamannan, Stirlingshire.

So, now we have hit paydirt, the Kings are THE Kings' of Dalziel, quarrymasters, millers and builders, (they built the first 2-story building in Motherwell town) and they are very well documented and they are all buried in Dalziel Parish burial ground.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 16:08 BST (UK) »
Three more burials from Cambusnethan cemetery. I should have check to see if A40 was a single or double plot. turns out it's a double plot.
So the first 2 are in A41.

MARY SCOTT, Wishaw, aged 63 years, married.
Parents - James Pennycuick and Margaret Barr.
27 February 1889.

ROBERT SCOTT, spirit merchant, Wishaw, aged 67 years, widower.
Parents names not known.
16 September 1891.

this last intement is in plot A56 (so, very close to A40 & 41)

JEANIE GRAY, housewife, Wishaw, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Robert Scott & Mary Pennycuick.
2 July 1901.



Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.