John Scott, born 1851 in Dalziel, Lanarkshire, Scotland.

[Lionel-W]

Your grandfather must have been quite a guy Lionel. "Ganze geil" auf Deutsch. There must be something in the water here in Wishaw. It comes from the resevoir at Daer in the Leadhills, perhaps it's the lead? If you know the old expression about lead and pencils: If you let me know where in Wishaw your father was born, I will have a look and, if the house has survived, I'll send a picture (unless you already have one?).

Hi Lodger,

I beg to correct - it's "ganz geil" - but it fits perfectly!

Unfortunately I have no idea where my father was born; just Wishaw, but maybe Daziel?

Lionel

[Lodger]

Lionel, Dalziel is a civil parish, just the same as Cambusnethan. The only difference being that there is a village in the parish of Cambusnethan called Cambusnethan! Also in the same parish is the town of Wishaw, the villages of Waterloo, Newmains and Overtown.
There is no village or town called Dalziel, just the parish.
Pity the birth certificate only give "Wishaw" as place of birth.

Sorry about my rusty German, I haven't used it in decades.

[rosie17]

That 1891 census looks likely, Rosie. 1901 entry has Thomas and Charlotte back in the household:

Monica

Hi, I'm not too sure if this is 1891 or 1901 and which family this is, Monica. Thomas H. should be Thomas K. Scott and I don't see a Charlotte in your list. If it's "my" John Scott, then he was a merchant for Wines and Spirits and not a Quarrier. And he's missing here. Any suggestions?

Lionel

Lionel ...Lottie is short for Charlotte you will see there is also a Maude listed this would be Catherine Maud Scott born 1886 in Hamilton she died 1981 Glasgow age 94 ..mothers maiden name King ..John Scott could have had a change of occupation maybe getting the marriage for your Grandmother will confirm her father's occupation ..Thomas H could have been a transcription error

Rosie

[Lionel-W]

Sorry about my rusty German, I haven't used it in decades.

Don't worry about your German - when my 21-year old daughter died, I took my German wife to Ayr. She (still) always maintains that she understands English very "good". Well, she doesn't! But confronted with the friendly natives and their "tatties", "kirks" and whatever, and that in a dialect that has nothing to do with Oxford English with a German accent, she just wilted. Since then one of my favourite "non-jokes" is to explain to dinner guests that she speaks "a very good accent with almost no English at all."

[Lionel-W]

Lionel ...Lottie is short for Charlotte you will see there is also a Maude listed this would be Catherine Maud Scott born 1886 in Hamilton she died 1981 Glasgow age 94 ..mothers maiden name King ..John Scott could have had a change of occupation maybe getting the marriage for your Grandmother will confirm her father's occupation ..Thomas H could have been a transcription error
Rosie

The mists of Loch Ness clear to reveal the truth! Thank you! Lionel

[Lodger]

Hello again Lionel,

Guess what?  It stopped raining today!
So, I took a walk over to the cemetery (Cambusnethan) and, after a bit of a false start because of the section plan notice which gives the position of section A as being left of the gate. After a bit of sleuthing (just call me Sherlock) and because I did my homework before going, I discovered that the first 60 or so plots in section A, are on the other side of the cemetery, against the south wall of the private walled cemetery.
Anyway, I found the grave of Robert Scott & Mary Pennycuik, also the grave of their daughter, Jeanie Gray.
I may have to make a few posts to fit all the pictures in.
Sadly, Robert and Mary's monument had been a very large obelisk which in now (probably for safety reasons) lying in front of the next gravestone.
Robert and Mary, plus their 3 sons, are in illustrious company! The next plot is the family burial ground of the Stewart's of Murdostoun. Buried there is Sir Robert King Stewart of Murdoestoun, Knight of the Thistle, Commander of the British Empire and Lord Lieutentant of Lanarkshire.
It is the huge red granite monument in a few of the pictures.

[Lodger]

This is is grave of Jeanie Gray and, as you can see, it's a modern stone with the names of younger generations. The Stewart of Murdoestoun plot and a couple of others stand between Jeanie and her parents.

[Lodger]

A few more views.
No doubt some daftie will be on Scotlandspeople giving you chapter and verse of the Macmillam & Borland connection. It takes all the pleasure out of it for you but that wont stop her.

[Lionel-W]

Hello again Lionel,

Guess what?  It stopped raining today!

Hi Lodger!

I was just closing down my computers (one hour later here) when your posts came in. Fantastic, especially that you've taken all the trouble to get these photos (maybe on your next trip you could put the obelisk back on the gravestone ...!).

On Monday I'll start sorting out all these people and adding them on to the family tree. It's getting more complicated from day to day and I'm not even going to start to ask who Macmillam and Borland are/were. However, what is sad is that one month ago I neither had the name of Mary P.W Scott's father nor had ever had any contact to her relatives although they were just round the corner when I was young. It will be interesting to see if any living relatives turn up later.

Thanks again and have a good weekend - it's about 32° C here!

Lionel