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Re: Re: William Bestal
« on: Wednesday 31 August 11 17:58 BST (UK) »
I hope that minimac is still there.

Charlotte Elizabeth Bestall married my Grandfather, Hugh Alexander Campbell from Ballynahinch, Co Down, and I am a direct descendent of them, and of course of Audley Bestall. Our family history is littered with Bestall and Caldwell names, and I have some Bestall heirlooms, as well as anecdotes from my parents, uncles and aunts.

I have been studying these postings for several days, and all of what I have been told seems to tie in or sensibly derive from them, except for one thing......... My Grandmother, Charlotte Elizabeth's birth date is given as 1880, and her marriage date as 1881. The marriage date in another family history is also 1881- so something wrong here!.

Perhaps we could join forces on this.

I am retired and living in South West Ireland

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Re: Re: Re: William Bestal
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 31 August 11 20:16 BST (UK) »
Hello yes I am still here and am delighted to hear from you.

I think your grandmother Charlotte Elizabeth is the elder sister of Audley William John Bestall b. 1850 and she was born in 1847.  My grandmother Charlotte Elizabeth is the youngest daughter of Audley Wm Bestall (and obviously named after her aunt) and born in 1880.   I am the daughter of the youngest of Charlotte Elizabeth and Joseph Charles Macfarlane's son Ernest Victor Macfarlane.

Which one of Charlotte and Hugh's children are you descended from?   I have located them on the census so know all about them on paper but nothing more.

I would love to hear from you further.  How exciting.  I would love to know more about your family and more Bestall anecdoes.

Best wishes, Jill.

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 September 11 16:18 BST (UK) »
Hello Jill,

Unsurprisingly, I am called HAC, was born in *, and my Father was HAC. as was my Grandfather who married Charlotte Elizabeth. His siblings were David, Randolf, Johnston, Margaret (Daisy) and Olive. I know a lot about them, as they were my Aunts and Uncles, as I grew up, except for Randolf (killed in World War 1, before I was born), and Johnston who emigrated to Canada as a young man. I was the last male in this line, but I am pleased to say that my Wife of fifty years had four children, two of whom were boys, and we now have nine grandchildren, including six boys.

Your posting clears up a lot of things, as I was unaware of an Aunt Charlotte Elizabeth, sister of Audley.

I am currently in France, where we have a house in the Loire valley, and will be returning home to Ireland, where most of my family records are, on October 8th.

I'm sure we have a lot to discuss, and in the meantime I would be interested to know more of the Ancestors of Audley William Bestall and his Sister. Have they anything to do with earlier Caldwells? I have also heard mention of a Castle Caldwell somewhere. Your information has moved the Bestalls a whole generation closer to me.

Do you live in Ireland? I am a retired Architect, living near Tralee.

With best wishes,

Hugh,



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Re: Re: Re: William Bestal
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 September 11 19:50 BST (UK) »
Hello cousin Hugh!!

Great to hear from you again and I hope you are enjoying your holiday on the lovely Loire.

I have just been looking on the 1911 census and seen your grandfather (I think) Hugh A age 20 living with his  parents, your great grandparents Hugh A age 63 and his wife Charlotte Elizabeth (Bestall and Audley's sister) age 57 living with all your aunts and uncles. 

I have also looked at the proni will calendar and seen that Hugh A died 10 April 1921 and Charlotte Elizabeth died 27 June 1932.  I also see that Robert John Campbell farmer one of their sons of Poplar Vale died 17 May 1926.

I think we should communicate via personal message if you are agreeable and we can compare notes.  I am currently trying to find out what happened to George Bestall b.1825 the father of Charlotte E and Audley Wm J who disappeared from all records after his wife died in 1861 and I think he may have gone to America to join the rest of the Bestall family who I have found In NYC.  Do you have any clues here please?

Hear from you again soon I hope.

Jill.


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 September 11 18:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Jill,

This is much more complicated than I had ever imagined.

I have a fairly comprehensive Campbell lineage document, going back to the late Eighteenth Century, tracing the Descendants of John and Jannett Campbell, through their son Robert, who married Susanna McDowell of County Down about 1801. I will let you have a copy of this, in due course.

This traces the history of that line down to my Grandfather Hugh Alexander Campbell and beyond, and who who married Charlotte Elizabeth Bestall, sister of Audley William Bestall, both children of George Bestall, by his first wife, Mary Jane Caldwell.

I note that you are searching for George Bestall, and his remaining posterity, with his second wife, Mary P Campbell. Well, you may, or may not know that, from the Campbell records, she seems to have been an Aunt of my Grandfather, who married Charlotte Elizabeth.

Could it be that after Mary died, George was left with several children, and times were hard in Tyrone, so he took them to America, perhaps only for a while, and came back later. That would involve Liverpool and passenger lists. I have not checked any dates on this, so they may be away out, but my Uncle David Campbell did tell me once that his mother had been orphaned, and had been mainly raised in America.

Finally, I also have a writing box (an expensive looking one, handed down through the Campbell  line), which bears a brass presentation plate. It bears the inscripion:

Presented to Hugh Alexander Campbell, JP by
Audley Bestall               Jeanette Mc Cormick
Lottie Howe                  Audley S Leary
                          Xmas 1902

There is no clue as to which Audley Bestall this is, but perhaps the other names might provide a clue, as presumably they were his friends/relations, at the time.

I hope this moves things on, and I entirely agree that we should exchange E mail addresses.

Perhaps we can both ask the Moderator to do this.

Best Wishes,

Hugh

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Re: Re: Re: William Bestal
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 September 11 18:30 BST (UK) »
now that you both have three posts the Personal Message system is available to you. That's the way to exchange personal details like email addresses.

see:  http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php


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Re: Re: Re: William Bestal
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 06 September 11 21:53 BST (UK) »
Jill,

From the Campbell archive, Mary P Campbell, his second wife, and George Bestall, did not have any children.

Hugh