John McQuillan Robertson

[doddsie4]

Regarding John's birth, it was at 25 Green St, Strathaven.   The two other births on the same page are for an Annie Wilson Malone and a Jessie Wilson Park.    First one born at what looks like Todshill St, Strathaven and the 2nd at what looks like Comelybank, Strathaven.     All three were signed by the same registrar.

[Rosinish]

"Ellan" McQuillan married James Wylie in Stirling. Both surnames are given in the death registration.

Here's a kicker in 1891 the family appear to move from Denny to Bannockburn but in 1901 Maggie's Still in Bannockburn but Helen is missing.
So is Helen in Strathaven mistakenly called Maggie by the householder (a Maggie Wiseman) or the census taker?

It's not beyond a possibility both sisters had been in the same household & had been mixed up, only 2 yrs difference in age, possibly looked very similar i.e. easily mistaken?
I've known sisters/brothers who look very similar & can't tell them apart.

I did note the proximity of Green St & Barn St being close together.

It's interesting too, John is noted as 'Visitor' in 1911 (one night) rather than 'adopted son' i.e. this may have been a later decision?

I haven't looked but I wonder if Helen is on 1911 as Wylie?

Annie

[doddsie4]

     There is a tree on Ancestry with a Thomas McQuillan (1841-1906) married to Margaret Graham (1839-1889), and they had a child Helen McQuillan born at Denny, 25 Jul 1880, who died on 18th July 1915 at Stirling.

      She had married a William Wiseman, b 1888 and had a child named Margaret in 1904.     

      I searched further (using Ancestry) and found an interesting connection with Avondale...    On the 1901 census at Avondale, there are two famlies of Wiseman's on the same page.     The first one is the interesting one...
      ...Maggie Wiseman, 45, Auctioneer
         James, 24
         John, 21
         Robert, 15
         William, 13
         Charles, 10
         Christine, 4
         Maggie McQuillan, Servant, 19, born Denny.

          Now, according to the tree I saw, the William Wiseman that Helen McQuillan married was born in 1888.     ...The William Wiseman on the above census was aged 13, so that makes him born in 1888.     So could it be that Helen was married to this William Wiseman, lived at Strathaven and then to complicate matters further had the illegitimate John McQuillan in 1907?

         Also, there is a Maggie McQuillan, living there as a servant.       Was she possibly Helen's sister?     She was born in Denny.   

         Apologies if this is all a wild goose chase.      Either way, it is complicated!   

[Rosinish]

I have to go out but...

MCQUILLAN ELLAN
WYLLIE JAMES 1912
490/ 43 Stirling

MCQUILLAN MARGARET
WISEMAN ROBERT 1902
621/ 20 Avondale

Annie

[SJamieson]

Death Record
Wiseman
nee MCQUILLAN
MARGARET
67
1946
651/ 119
Airdrie or New Monkland

Which leaves the obvious Margret is in Avondale in 1901 and Helen/Ellan is in Bannockburn. As Mother Catherine had died in 1895 before the family moved to Bannockburn, Helen is sent to older sister Margaret during her pregnancy before returning to Stirling after giving birth.

[Rosinish]

Looks like I have the wrong family as the family I was hoping to be the link were all born Denny with parents Thomas & Margaret.

Annie

[SJamieson]

Looks like I have the wrong family as the family I was hoping to be the link were all born Denny with parents Thomas & Margaret.

Annie

No You're right about Margaret, but in the 1891 census (and forward) the family aren't in Denny but in Bannockburn and the mother is missing - though there's not an obvious death record for her either. I got mixed up with another death record which was Catherine.

[Rosinish]

Ahh, Ok as I was scratching my head wondering where Catherine had appeared from 

Annie

Add, I'd been through all the censuses for the family which is how I knew there were 'lots of siblings'

[Rosinish]

The births for the children will give the info. of where/when Thomas & Margaret married as well as her maiden name.

Annie