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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 27 June 19 11:55 BST (UK) »
I didn;t know you could search by address on electoral roll.  Will have a look...

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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 27 June 19 13:43 BST (UK) »
Have just replied to Prue via personal email and will try to post a synopsis of what I will type out for her later today as it is highly involved.  I think I have identified just who Alice was but it will require a birth certificate to absolutely confirm.

Got pages of notes and got to get them all in some kind of order first - however, I do like a good mystery and will post a precis of it later today.  I'm not being secretive just thorough and think I know who 'Olive' was too.

I agree - the electoral roll for 3 Addison Road, South Norwood for say 1920 to 1925 (at the very least) is required.   It was certainly a Greengrocers in 1911 - Alice herself may not be listed 1920/1922 as I believe it was only around 1923 that women started being shown having just got the vote.

Watch this space...…

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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 27 June 19 13:49 BST (UK) »
Yay, I will put the headache pills away  ;D

Debra  :)

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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 27 June 19 14:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks Debra :)


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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 27 June 19 15:05 BST (UK) »
The probate notice is right - she died in that home stated on there and we are thinking that maybe they didn't bother to be accurate about a second name.... or maybe even know she had one.

Buried at Elswick Cemetery, 17 May 1955
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJN-V9FD-C?i=193&cat=828351

Register of Graves K 92
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-3S1B-V?i=203&cat=828351

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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 27 June 19 15:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much! ... and I see she didn't have 'Maud' on either of those either.  Suspect staff didn't know.  I am still on the electoral registers......

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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 27 June 19 18:42 BST (UK) »
The only time Alice is 'Alice Maude' is on will of Henry Edwin Constable, and when she is living with him in 1939 she shows as Alice M.   On everything else she is plain Alice.

As mentioned earlier, when Alice signed a baby book she stated her parents were named John and Mary Ann Mitchell and that was the key to this.

Her parents were John Mitchell and Mary Ann Webber married 1869 Burrington, Devon.   Alice (plus an older and younger sibling) were baptised 22/11/1885 Highweek, Devon - their birthdates were given but unfortunately looks like the vicar forgot to note Alice's as just says June ? 1882 (? transcribed on FindMyPast as '7' but looking at copy of original it has clearly been written in by a different hand and is definitely a question mark.  Her birth was reg'd Sept.qtr.1882 South Molton (Devon) - mmn Webber.  Would suggest purchasing the birth certificate to confirm the birthdate is indeed 9/6/1882 as on 1939 register.  It was definitely June anyway.

Now starts getting complicated - on 31/10/1904 Highweek, Devon Alice Mitchell marries a Cyril Burrows and they move to Middlesex where a daughter Phoebe Olive Beatrice Burrows was born 25/3/1905 Acton.   (This is the Olive previously mentioned in 1921 Newspaper).   A son Cecil John Charles Burrows was born in 1910 Hanwell, who unfortunately died in 1914.   These appear to be the only 2 children - when Cyril enlisted in 1914 the couple were still together but by 1921 they were clearly living apart.   We know their daughter was with Alice at 3 Addison Road, South Norwood but from 1921 to 1930 Cyril was living in East Acton with his parents and a brother.   By 1939 he is with a Sarah A. Mitchell (yes, Mitchell).

Alice had a brother William Henry Mitchell who married Cyril Burrow's sister Sarah Anne (yes, a brother and sister married a brother and sister) 12/10/1907 St. Dunstan, Acton.   William Henry Mitchell died 1928 and his widow is living with Cyril Burrows in 1939 (quite possibly because they were both alone and not necessarily in a relationship.

Phoebe Olive Beatrice Burrows married in Devon in 1928 (home of her maternal grandparents) to a Charles E. George.   They lived Newton Abbot but do not appear to have had any children.   Knowing she was known as 'Olive' this is clearly the Olive that Lynne B's family remember in Devon.   Cyril Burrows ultimately died in 1965 Witney, Oxfordshire - probate was to a firm of solicitors.   Daughter Phoebe Olive George - born 25/8/1905 - died Apr.1993 West Oxfordshire.

Knowing Alice and her daughter were at 3 Addison Road from at least 1921 to 1923 we need to establish from electoral rolls who was registered as living at that address at that time.   Father of Alice's daughter Iris Ina may have been a Charles, and a greengrocer (that address was a greengrocers in 1911 and probably still was in 1923) but I don't believe he was a 'Burrows' at all (although may well be wrong) and simply assumed that persona to register the birth thus ensuring that Iris Ina's birth did not look like an illegitimate one.   So, Alice was indeed married to a Burrows but a Cyril not a Charles, who was definitely not a Greengrocer.   The greengrocer living at 3 Addison Road must surely be the child's father.

Hope I've covered everything.   Haven't listed all in my notes but easy to check all the facts.

Annette
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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 27 June 19 21:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for all the research done.. we are busy perusing all this new information and taking it in!  I am sending off for Alice's birth certificate in a moment.  Transpires that you can't get the 1920s electoral roll online but I have the contact details of a person at the local museum where the records are held.  If we can just nail the name of Iris' Dad now.... we'll be well on our way.  Thanks so much for all the (totally unexpected) help.    Will keep you posted, of course! It's getting exciting again.  Our brick wall is tumbling down.! ;)

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Re: Alice Maud Mitchell / Charles Burrows Norwood
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 27 June 19 21:43 BST (UK) »
the name Charles Burrows probably came easily to the grocer because there was a Charles Oliver Burrows at Kingston upon Thames who had a small chain of grocers shops and was a big(ish) wig in the grocers association.

Added, and I meant to say Annette, what a great piece of sleuthing. Lots of lessons there for me.