William Scott, Pettinain

[hilarykellis]

I am trying to find out more about parents and siblings of William Scott. His death certificate on 1 Apr 1859 gives his parents' names as William Scott and Agnes Turner and puts his birth year at about 1789. Census records seem to give his place of birth as Pettinain, Lanark.

William marries in Lanark, Lanarkshire in 1821 to Marion Ballantyne daughter of the late William Ballantyne, Miller of Eddleston near Peebles (not sure how they would have met...maybe she worked as a maid in Lanark although no occupation given on the marriage record).

William later lived in Lesmahagow (by 1841), where he died.

I can't seem to find records of a William Scott/Agnes Turner marrying or having children in Pettinain.

My family has passed along a long-standing rumour, as probably a lot of Scott families have, that there was some connection to Sir Walter Scott...given names, occupations (labourer!), and location I highly doubt this and would like to disprove it once and for all so I don't need to keep hearing it! 

Thanks in advance for any advice!

[Lodger]

Some years ago I made a survey of all the OPRs for Lanarkshire from microfilm. Here's what I found for Pettinain. I don't know if you are familiar with the area but it's a tiny parish and only a short distance from the town of Lanark.
There are 3 books for Pettinain, listed below.

PETTINAIN 653.

653/1.
Baptisms 1689 – 1819. No mother’s name given until 1793.
There is a half page of mortcloth records at the 1805 baptisms. Also mortcloths for 1710.

653/2.
Marriages 1696 – 1779.
Mortcloth accounts 1696 – 1780. Difficult to read.

653/3.
Register of deaths 1820 – 1849. A very good record. List of ministers of the parish from 1600.
Baptisms 1820 – 1850 Marriages 1820 – 1853. Also a very good population survey.

If you can get to see that lPopulation Survey it may be of help?
Also, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a link to Sir Walter, every Scott thinks there is a link, just as every Hamilton thinks there is a link to the Duke of Hamilton.

William & Marion are in the 1851 census for Lesmahagow, he is an agricultural labourer.
With them is a daughter Marion aged 12, born Clydesdale, Lanark and a grandaughter Marion, aged 7, also born Clydesdale, Lanark.

[Lodger]

To continue on from the survey of the Old Parochial Records, here are a few examples of just how good they can be and I advise everyone to always check the original sourse. Ancestry is good but they only record the bare facts and very often the spelling mistakes begger belief.

From the records of Pettinain I found this gem -

An entry found among the baptisms for 1811.
(Baptised) - Agnes White, daughter of John White, soldier in the 1st or Royal Dragoons & Jean Weir his spouse, was born at Dundalk, County of Louth Ireland, 10th March 1808 & baptised the same month. Witnesses of the baptism were Thomas Roper, Sergeant & John Homer private in the same regiment.

WANDALL & LAMINGTON 659.
The last book on the reel, 659/4 has births marriages & deaths entered at random and end at 1856. Here is an example of a death entry.
December 10th 1833. Died this morning aged 66. Mary Carmichael a pauper in the village, widow of James Murdoch weaver in Lamington. She was a martyr to rheumatism upwards of 20 years & was much deformed in consequence of her troubles.
Buried in Lamington on Thursday 12th.

OLD MONKLAND 652.

Baptism 27th June 1703. Marrion, daughter of Alexander Baird in Bellshill of Bothwell, presented by her Grandfather Alexander Baird because of his son not being absolved from the scandal of fornication.
(No Mothers’ names given in baptism entries until about 1790.)


And from the Lanark records -

Baptism 1806. Horatio Nelson, lawful son to Robert Scot and Mary Forrest, born 16th June & baptised 5th October 1806.

Baptism 1807. Jane, lawful daughter to Norman Lockhart esquire at Lea and Philadelphia and Barbara McMurdo. Born 9th January and baptised 29th January 1807.

The following five entries were all made together in 1807.
David Dale, lawful son to Robert Owen esq and Anne Carolina Dale. Born 24th June and baptised 6th September 1807.

Robert Dale, lawful son to the above Robert Owen and Anne Caroline Dale was born at Glasgow 7th November 1801.

William, lawful son to the above Robert Owen and Anne Caroline Dale was born at Glasgow 17th December 1702.

Anne Caroline, lawful daughter to the forsaid Robert Owen and Anne Caroline Dale was born at Glasgow 13th January 1805.

Jane Dale, lawful daughter the above Robert Owen and Anne Caroline Dale, was born at Glasgow 29th December 1805.

PROCLAMATION OF BANNS. 1799. Robert Owen, New Lanark and Anne Caroline Dale, Glasgow. Proclaimed the 29th September 1799 for the first & last time.

Robert Owen 1771 – 1858. Born Powys, Wales. In 1800 he became the manager & part owner of New Lanark cotton mills where he set up a welfare programme and established a “model community.” His Father-in-law was David Dale the great philanthropist and founder of New Lanark.

Robert Dale Owen 1801 – 1877. A social reformer. In 1825 he accompanied his Father to America to help set up the New Harmony colony in Indiana. In 1829 he moved to New York City, where he edited the Free Enquirer. In 1832 he became a member of the Indiana legislature and entered Congress in 1843. He later became U.S. ambassador to India (1855-58). He was a great advocate of emancipation of slaves.

[KiwiScott]

Hi

I may be able to assist.  William Scott and Agnes Turner married in 1787 but I do not have confirmation of where.  Apart from William I do not know of other children they had.

William married Marion Ballantyne (17/06/1821) and they had 7 children.  I am new to this so I. am not sure how to provide the details of all 7 which I have to some extent.

Their third child was Robert.  He married Marion Brown (28/06/1854).  Their fourth child (of 10) was Robert.  He married Jane Lockhart (25/04/1890).  They emigrated to New Zealand in 1912.  Robert was my g-grandfather.

I am happy to share other information I have.  I would be keen to know what happened to the other children of Robert and Marion.  Did they stay in Scotland? Lesmahagow?

[Forfarian]

I would be keen to know what happened to the other children of Robert and Marion.  Did they stay in Scotland? Lesmahagow?

You can search the deaths index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk using the mother's maiden surname. You'll get far too many results because both Scott and Brown are among the commonest surnames in Scotland, but you may be able to identify some of them.

Be aware that not all mothers' maiden surnames have as yet found their way into the index!

[garngad]

KiwiScott hope this helps you to get started you would have to look at the certificates to prove your connections but there is plenty of promise to be begin with. You already have proof of marriage but to get started i have added it, the 1856 Mary Lawrie Scott and the 1863 birth for Marion looks a stick on for your tree.

[garngad]

there is this 1861 census as a possible

[garngad]

And a death for a Marion Scott (Brown) mothers maiden name Lawrie.

[garngad]

Finally death for a Robert Scott in 1901.