Help please with my Great Granmother Roughley Manchester/Salford

[Mark Saxon]

Hi there, I have received my Grandmother's birth certificate and need a bit of help.
I knew she was an orphan and suspected I would not get very far but there are some tantalizing clues!
My Grandmother Mary Alice Roughley was born in New Bridge workhouse on 18/3/1895. I understand the workhouse by this time was more of a pauper's hospital.
Her mother is shown as:
Mary Jane Rughley or Rughfly  a cotton factory operative of 5 Southern Street.
The birth was registered by the workhouse master. there is no father listed.
I did some research and I see an admission around this date for a lady of this name with a birth in 1861. Despite this I cannot find any trace of Mary Jane under any variation of the surname.
Mary Alice went on to Manchester Industrial School for girls and ended up in Sale Cheshire before later marrying my Grandfather in Eccles in 1923. I have the marriage certificate but no further clues there. I also see a death for a Mary Jane Roughly in 1902 with a burial in Manchester Cemetery which sort of ties in with her daughter ending up in the Manchester Industrial School.
My Grandmother appears to come from Salford but i am not sure if 5 Southern Street was the one near Victoria Station or the one in Salford. When they married my Grandfather lived in Liverpool Road Patricroft.

[josey]

Hi welcome to rootschat  .

Have you found Mary Alice or Mary Ann in 1901? Does the industrial school entry say where she was admitted from?

Maybe the surname is an interpretation of the Irish name Rahilly?

ADDED: If you can afford it I suggest you get the 1902 death certifcate [£7 for a .pdf from GRO.gov.uk] which will show address at death.
ROUGHLEY, MARY  JANE     44 
GRO Reference: 1902  S Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 7
so born ca 1857/58

[Mark Saxon]

I have not been able to find Mary Jane in 1901 or any year back to 1861. Well not at least with any certainty that it is her family.

I cannot see the admission date for Mary Alice to the Industrial School. It just says school enrollment 1901. (1883-1904) I do not have access to the full records.

In 1911 it says born 1895 Salford.

[josey]

The admission register is on findmypast.

No 685 Mary Alice Roughley 6 yr 10 mo, dob Mar 18 1895, admitted Dec 23 1901, detained under Sect 14 Ind Sch Act, sent by Salford School Board, detention till 16 yrs, previous character good, CoE, illegitimate.

Mother Mary Jane Roughley, profession [sorry] prostitute, character bad, no settled home but Mrs J Holt [?] of 71 Monmouth St, Stafford Rd, Salford is not the guardian.


ADDED: 1901 census RG13 Piece 3738 Folio 28 Page 8 @ 71 Monmouth St - Samuel & Jane HOLT have 8 boarders but not Mary Ann & Mary Alice.

[Mark Saxon]

Oh that's great thank you!

No need apologize it is the oldest profession in the world.   

Thanks for that I should have mentioned on the marriage certificate that my Grand Mother gave her address as 41 Blantyre Street Winton. I see this is the next town to Patricroft. So it would appear she moved back to Manchester after she was "released" from the Industrial School.

[josey]

If you pm me with your email address [click on text icon under my name] I can send you the image. Still trying to find them on 1901 but maybe Mary Ann eluded the enumerator! She may have been working that night but Mary Alice must be somewhere!

Also somewhere if still extant must  be Mary Alice's school admission entry by Salford School Board which may give an address.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F108977
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a?_ref=129

Maybe contact to see what records they may have?
Salford Museum and Art Gallery
Peel Park
The Crescent
Salford M5 4WU
Telephone: 0161 778 0814
Email: local.history@scll.co.uk

[Christine53]

Manchester Evening News 3 May 1897 :

Brutal Assault in Salford

At Salford Police Court today a rough looking fellow named Robert McDonald , a labourer, was charged  with violently assaulting Mary Jane Ruffley. Prisoner and the injured woman lived together as man and wife at 71 Monmouth Street, Ordsal Lane. On Saturday night the prisoner went home drunk and asked the woman for some money . She would not give him any . He then gave her a penny and told her  to go and buy the child an orange. She did so and was in the act of giving it to the child when he struck her a violent blow on the head with a hammer. She was taken to the Royal Hospital where her wounds were dressed . She gave her evidence reluctantly and said the prisoner would not have done it but for the drink. He had been drinking for 3 weeks and was sentenced to 2 months hard labour.

" The child " is presumably Mary Alice.

[Kay99]

Press notice may be relevant

Manchester Evening News September 24, 1901

Idle and Drunken Mother Salford

An unfortunate named Mary Jane Roughley, who is also known by several other  names, was charged in the Police Court today was charged with neglecting her child on the 10th inst.  NSPCC, police and neighbours gave notice that the prisoner was idle, disordely and drunken.  She repeatedly left the child on the streets and on the 10th inst, it was found to be poorly clad and in a filthy condition.  Roughley had nothing to say in her defence and was sent to prison for three months

Kay

[Christine53]

Press notice may be relevant

Manchester Evening News September 24, 1901

Idle and Drunken Mother Salford

An unfortunate named Mary Jane Roughley, who is also known by several other  names, was charged in the Police Court today was charged with neglecting her child on the 10th inst.  NSPCC, police and neighbours gave notice that the prisoner was idle, disordely and drunken.  She repeatedly left the child on the streets and on the 10th inst, it was found to be poorly clad and in a filthy condition.  Roughley had nothing to say in her defence and was sent to prison for three months

Kay

There are records for a "Mary Roughley , see Johnson , Mary Jane Roughley , alias Flynn " born 1862 who was sent to Strangeways Prison 12/6/1890/ for larceny and due for release 11/9/91 ( she had 15 previous convictions. I think she is on the 1891 census here:
RG12 3266 78 38