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Re: DNA Testing can go horribly wrong.
« Reply #18 on: Friday 14 June 19 11:41 BST (UK) »
I've recently done a DNA test and uploaded to Myheritage, it's confirmed that I'm related to a 1st Cousin and his son (1st cousin once removed) as I expected but it's also thrown up a name who has more matches than my 1st cousin's son so it is indicated that this person is also my 1st cousin once removed.

I checked with my mum (as I think the connection has to be on her side) if she recognised the surname and she's drawn a blank - this person is roughly the same age as my mum so one of his parents is likely to have been a half sibling to either of my mum's parents.

It's a bit of a mystery that I'm itching to resolve as I know my maternal grandfather didn't know his real father, he was born when his mother was 17.

Unfortunately as of yet I've had no response to the messages I've sent to this person...

I see it as a positive but perhaps this other person doesn't see it the same as me...



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« Reply #19 on: Friday 14 June 19 11:56 BST (UK) »
Get your mum to take the test. She should show a closer relationship if it is on her side.

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« Reply #20 on: Friday 14 June 19 12:03 BST (UK) »
I don't think it is fair to say that DNA tests can be dangerous. As they said in Roman times, in DNA veritas. All the test is doing is revealing indiscretions committed by our forebears and ancestors. They don't change us. We might uncover that we have been lied to, and deceived, it happened to me. But I think it is wrong to blame the concept of the technology.

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Re: DNA Testing can go horribly wrong.
« Reply #21 on: Friday 14 June 19 12:07 BST (UK) »
Get your mum to take the test. She should show a closer relationship if it is on her side.

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Good shout - I will, I'm pretty certain that it is on her side but it would be a good check and balance.


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Re: DNA Testing can go horribly wrong.
« Reply #22 on: Friday 14 June 19 12:10 BST (UK) »
I don't think it is fair to say that DNA tests can be dangerous. As they said in Roman times, in DNA veritas. All the test is doing is revealing indiscretions committed by our forebears and ancestors. They don't change us. We might uncover that we have been lied to, and deceived, it happened to me. But I think it is wrong to blame the concept of the technology.

Martin

Agreed, it also proves that things haven't really changed in regards to indiscretions, it's just that in years gone by they were less open about things and tended to carry a sense of shame, whereas these days people just accept it.

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Re: DNA Testing can go horribly wrong.
« Reply #23 on: Friday 14 June 19 12:11 BST (UK) »
I disagree with the attribution of blame, DNA is not at fault, the blame lies in the secrets and deception of the past. To me it is like blaming the messenger for bad news.

In my own family my grandfather who had split from his first wife had 4 children by my grandmother before his first wife, who refused to divorce him died, leaving him free to marry.
As a result my grandparents children were between 12 & 22 years old before their mum & dad married. This was not talked about but was never kept a secret.
I could mention other incidents in my wife’s lineage that could have caused disruption within the family but again because these were not kept secret caused no lasting problems in the family.

It should also be remembered that the autosomal DNA tests used in family history are not 100% accurate and may/will need further research to prove relationships. Either to prove or disprove the suggestions.

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« Reply #24 on: Friday 14 June 19 12:18 BST (UK) »
Guy, you and I seem to agree on everything posted here, but I think your comment about autosomal tests 'not being 100% accurate' should be 'not being 100% precise'.  It is a fine difference, but I think you will appreciate that difference.

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« Reply #25 on: Friday 14 June 19 13:06 BST (UK) »
We all seem to like finding out about our possible grandfathers, great grandfathers, 2G grandfathers etc.

I get the idea that it is with present day relationships that the original poster has had problems, though I'm not sure.

Then it becomes a lot harder to understand and accept.

I feel for you, BourneGooner.

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« Reply #26 on: Saturday 15 June 19 21:53 BST (UK) »
After an experience I had some years back I now firmly believe that the best policy is truth regardless.
What happened was this; I was always aware that there was a mystery about my father's parents, and many years ago when I was a boy my mother showed me my grandfather's death certificate, (1903 at the age of 75, Dad born in 1899!), and my father had told me that he had been orphaned at the age of 2.
It wasn't until I started researching in the mid 1990s that I got to grips with things. I found my grandfather in the 19th century censuses living with his then wife, and no children of their own, though they did foster. It came as no surprise to find that my grandfather had remarried when his first wife died in 1894 at 70, but what was surprising was that my grandmother had been born in 1859, and was 35 at marriage, though dates were carefully massaged to reduce the age gap to 20 years. 5 months after the wedding my aunt (Dad's sister was born!, making up for lost time!)
But I then discovered that my grandmother died in 1901. When I got the certificate, authenticated copy at Boston Registry Office, the registrar warned me to prepare for a shock, she described it as "not nice; gruesome". It certainly was my grandmother had cut her throat with an open razor!! This had never been mentioned in the family "not in front of the children" being the order of the day. Dad was brought up by her sister his aunt, had service as a boy soldier, and afterwards returned to Boston and worked on the footplate at Boston loco.
Why this is relevant is because everyday he would see the house where it happened he was apparently in the room as a toddler at the time, when he went and came home from work. If he was on a shunting turn he would spend around 8 hours a day on a shunting engine immediately outside the house, and at least twice a week he would pass the institute where the inquest was held.
After this find and concluding other research, I then went to see my 95 year old mother, told her what I had found; though she did not confirm it, it was obvious from her demeanour that she had known, but never let on.
It was a great shock to me, and from then on I decided it was best for so far as possible to be completely open with all research no matter how harrowing it seems at the time.
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