Need Help - been looking for over 10 yrs , still cant find them!

[Forfarian]

I have previously posted abt this family many years ago & still have not found them.?

Can you please include a link to all previous threads about this George Muir family?

If you start new threads that continue previous ones, then you will send people off looking up and duplicating information you already have, which is a waste of their time and everyone else's who then have to read through the same information several times. Also people who provided information on the previous threads will not be notified of any new information.

The best thing to do if you want to revive an old query is to add a new post on that existing thread, then people who see it will be able to see what has already been found, and the people who provided information on the original thread will be alerted to anything new.

[aj57]

The last thing i want is for people to waste their time - i posted a new thread as when i posted before i was just starting & not all the info i had could be proven & there was a mixture of different occupations, family stories etc.

Some of the replies i received before were very helpful -eg census,but no information was found.

Also at the time i didn't realise George was married twice.

Now i am more prepared with information /certificates, i wanted to start fresh.

I got William's death certificate ( brigidmac's posting of 1841 census) to see if William might have been George's brother.

William m Margaret Lindsay 1828, at Wiston & Roberton.
Children : James               27/4/1829
             : John                 22/10/1830
             : Thomas            17/11/1832
             : William             15/10/1834
             : Catherine          3/9/1837
             : George             10/3/1841
             : Robert (Peter) ? 10/3/1841

William died 4th Dec 1862,Wiston.
parents : James Muir ( farmer) dec
            : Betty Lamb               dec


James & Betty m 6/6/1784@ Carmichael
Children  : Betty 1785
              : James 1787
              : John  1789
              : Isobel 1791
              : Thomas  13/8/1793
              : William  13/8/1793

[wivenhoe]

"George's 2nd marriage to Mary Brown 1843 Lanark."

How have you confirmed that this is a second marriage for George MUIR?

[aj57]

Yes , George married twice.
 Elizabeth died between 1839-1843 ?, Mary Brown was his neighbour.

I have nearly all the D & M certificates & a front page of a family bible register that lists - George Muir , Elizabeth Robb, Mary Brown.


It also has the 8 children's birth dates from 1830 -1852,   but i could only find the births for Andrew & Margaret registered at Wishaw. No reg birth records for any other children.
 MUIR
ANDREW
GEORGE MUIR/MARY BROWN
Birth   17 AUGUST 1846
Bap   6 SEPTEMBER 1846
WISHAW RELIEF
LANARK

MUIR
MARGARET
GEORGE MUIR/MARY BROWN
 Birth 17 APRIL 1852
 Bap  25 APRIL 1852
WISHAW RELIEF
LANARK

    George was born at Biggar abt 1800's & between 1844-1846 moved to Overton, Cambusnethan.
 
    George's son George ( b1837)  a photo of his home shows "Nemphlar" Lanark, &

     Thomas (1844) newspapers shows his birth as Stonebyres , Fall of Clyde & sometimes Biggar.
 

[Forfarian]

https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS8544 and
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.6799&lon=-3.8223&layers=5&b=1 may be of interest.

Biggar https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NT0437 is 15 miles or so from Nemphlar
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.6239&lon=-3.5248&layers=5&b=1

Overto(w)n https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS8052
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.7579&lon=-3.9163&layers=5&b=1

[Forfarian]

Don't forget that if John and/or Peter died or emigrated before 1855, there may not be any surviving records of them.

[brigidmac]

Im getting confused
Do you mean william the elders death

Im calling mine Sailor william son of farmer william
To distingush

Aged 6 on the 1841 census .
Was that the right George for you
If so i.ll refer to him as George the
twin to distinguish from all the coisins uncles and nephew georges we are now finding .

[brigidmac]

Twins are in 2 generations

Have i understood that sailor william b1835 with twin brothers
Son of margaret Lindaay and william muir
Was grandson of james and betty Lamb

So cousin to your George son of twice married george
Farmer William & george m Eliz then mary Robb were brothers

So we must be 6th cousins or something ...i.ll work it out .no thru lines on ancestry yet but if i add these names to my tree something may come up .

[aj57]

 Forfarian , Thank you so much for the map links, i agree John & Peter might have died early, nothing was written on bible transcript but i only had the front page.


brigidmac. I sent you info abt farmer william.( he died 4th dec 1862) Is that your family ?
 

  Sailor William parents were William Muir & Margaret Lindsay.
  Farmer William parents were James & Betty Lamb.


My George was b1800 & parents were William Muir & Margaret Donaldson
son of My George was born 1837 & parents were George Muir & Elizabeth Robb

There is a connection but not brothers.