Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help

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Sky, i was looking and maybe its only a maybe, well the name Smiths field could of come from one of the local farmers, there is a farmer below who fits the bill, the lands we talk of are right next to him, i think he is on the other side of the river though, i understand all the clues from the writings, he may well or his forefathers owned the land that the Cliffton colliery brought, Smith Field could be an ancient name that died out later, everything is there, i have looked on the old maps and cannot find evidence yet, it was once all just fields and such not long before i would say, the toll bridge at wilford leads right on to Hawthorne street Kings Meadow road and Cremorne street, all these places have had Gipsy Caravans on theire land, i have found out the Gipsys had camps over all these fields from storys i have found, over from the meadows is Wilford which is just up from Bridgford, the Wilford bridge is almost on top of Smiths Field, maybe this is just an ouside chance but its a part of the bigger picture, i will keep trying, after the few things today i put up i will find everything i have and put it on here, then we can search through it all for clues


  Friday 19 July 1895
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 

NISI   PRIUS COURT

(Before Mr. Justice Charles.) His lordship took his seat half-past ten o'clock and was accompanied on the bench by the Mayo (Councillor Joseph Bright), the Under-Sheriff (Councillor J. A. H. Green), Mr. Marsh (Under Sheriff for Notts.) , and Sir S. G. Johnson (Town Clerk).   
 

 ACTION FOR DAMAGE GRASS. Smith v. Forman.—ln this action Mr. Georg Smith, farmer, of Wilford, sought to recover from Mr. Arthur Forman of Wilford, the sum o £69 11s.,  damage done to mowing  grass trespass alleged to have been committed by Mr. Forman cattle and horses in the summer of 1893. Mr.H. Y. Stanger (instructed Messrs. Green Williams) appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr Graham (instructed by Messrs. Freeth, Rawson and Cartwright) for the defendant. —In opening the case Mr. Stanger said the parties were occupier of adjoining meadows at Wilford, that of the plaintiff comprising about 19 and a half acres, which the liad out for mowing in May, 1893. Between the fields there was a dyke, and this dyke formed a natural barrier. In the summer of 1893 it was a particularly dry one, and the dyke was frequently dried up. Mr. Forman had a number of horses, cattle, and sheep in his field, and from time to time these animals found their way across the dyke, not once, twice, but repeatedly, week by week, and som-times day by day. Complaints were made  by Mr. Smith, and Mr. Forman made certain promises, but nothing was done. On the 12th of July Mr. Smith wrote to Mr. Forman complaining of the trespass of his cattle, and stating that damage had been done up to that time to the amount of £5. The trespass however continued and the summer being dry it was impossible to get a second or third crop of grass, the land being so much trampled upon. In August several complaints were made to Mr. Forman's bailiff, an appointmet was made with Mr. Forman that he should go to the field, and see the extent of the damage, and take some effective steps to keep the cattle from trespassing……..
At the same time he understood that the dyke was being cleared out and expressed the hope that the work would on quickly…….. Mr. John Smith, farmer, Wilford, said that he had seen as many as 30 beasts and a dozen horses belonging tothe defendant in the mowing grass in his field .—Cross examined by Mr. Graham: He was not feeding cattle himself on that land up to the end of June. Counsel suggested that the season was dry one, and that no rain fell up to the end of August the grass did not grow.  The witness said that the grass did grow, the Witness heard that Mr. Forman had instructed a boy to watch over the cattle, but he did not see the boy. Some gipsies were allowed to have cattle on a field near by but these animals could not get into his field…… .— Richard Blount said that he was employed in cleaning the new drain in 1893 until July. He had seen horses and ponies belonging to gipsies grazing on the mowing grass in question, and had noticed the gipsies fetch them off in the morning.... . —Edward Ross, who superintended the men making the new drain, said he had seen horses and donkeys belonging to the gipsies encamped the the other side of the drain in the mowing piece.—Samuel Fox, who assisted in cutting the new drain, gave similar evidence . He had seen the animals which did not belong to Mr. Forman in the mowing piece. The cattle could get in by the footbridge put over the dyke by the Clifton Colliery Company.— Thomas Lamin, foreman to Mr. Arthur Forman, said that in 1893 there was a certain amount bother about cattle going backwards and forwards over ihe dyke.Ctle got onto Mr Foremans land, both from the plaintiffs and other peoples fields.Witness had seen animals belonging to gipsies on Mr Smith land…… . So far as they could tell, however, the matter had been very much exaggerated. The gipsies, either rightly or wrongly, had their horses in, and if damage was done it certainly was not all  not done by Mr. Foreman…………….  Having reviewed the evidence, his Lordship said he thought, he should do justice if he gave judgment for 50 guineas with costs

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Tuesday 12 November 1889
  Nottingham Evening Post
Nottinghamshire


THE SAD DROWNING CASE AT WILFORD
 THE SAD DROWNING CASE AT WILFORD. INQUEST THIS DAY. This morning an inquest was held by Mr. D. Whittingharo. the District Coroner, at the Ferry Inn, Wilford, Notts., on the body of Harold Jardine Smith, aged three years, whose body was recovered from from the river Trent Wilford yesterday.— Mr. George Smith, of Wilford, farmer and baker, said that the deceased child was his son, and had been in perfect health up until Saturday last. He was able to walk about by himself. Witness last saw him alive about noon on Saturday  in the garden, which adjoins the river Trent. Steps led down from the garden  to the waterside. The deceased was accustomed to the garden, but had always been forbiddon to go to the water side.—Mrs. M. E. Smith, wife of the witness, deposed to seeing the deceased about half-past three o'clock on Saturday afternoon in the garden, and missing him later about a quarter of on hour after that. She went immediately to look for him, and found his toy waggon near the steps leading to the water's edge. Witness had never allowed deceased to down to the river side and never let him be alone in the garden long.— Police-sergeant Notts Constabulary, stationed at Wilford, said he was present yesterday  when the body of the deceased child was recovered from the Trent, near Wilford Bridge. It was at the bottom of the river on the Wilford side.—A verdict of Accidentally drowned was returned. r.i.p

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Thursday 24 October 1872
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire 


 THE FLOODS IN NOTTINGHAMSHIRE.
Since writing our notice of yesterday, there has been a very perceivable increase in the extent of the floods which then prevailed. The rise, the interval, has been considerable, and still continues, with what precise results  we are not at present prepared to say. It will, however, easily be understood, even by those of our readers who have not personally experienced the effects of those inundations, that to persons inhabiting in the low-lying districts of the town much discomfort and inconvience of serious kind, and well as, in many cases, no slight damage to property, in the neighbourhood of Willfordbridge and Trent bridge, the water, at the end of Queen’s walk, rushing down with a considerable degree of velocity. Beyond Wilford road the fields present very much the appearance of a sea, the large expanse of water being relieved only by the hedgerows, tree and buildings, which, from their superior elevation, are here and there visible. In some instances the removal of cattle has been rendered necessary by the encroachments of the water. On the tops of some hedges which appeared above the water a number of field mice and rats were to be seen, having been literally been flooded out of their holes, while, floating on the surface of the water, several drowned rabbits and hares have been noticed. At the time of writing,the floodmark is an inch above that of 1857, and between the marks of 1857 and 1869. At a late hour last night the water was within a few feet of the top of the foot-bridge just below the Trent-bridge, and did not appear to give any signs of an early subsidence , but rather the reverse. A great deal of damage has been done by water from the sewers forcing its way into the cellars of many dwelling-houses in the lower parts of the town. In the bakehouse of Mr. Brinkwater, baker and confectioner. Sussex-street, the water is two feet deep, and within a foot and a half of the oven : but fortunately he had not a large stock of flour the place at the time, and had placed a dozen or two sacks boxes and benches by way of precaution. The backwater has also made its way into the cellar of the Radcliffe Arms inn, and in many cellars.  — The floods have not left the railways in the vicinity of Nottingham free from their ravages. The rising of the water against the embankment of the Great Northern Railway near Radcliffe was the cause of the giving way of  the  elevated permanent way; and, besides workmen being detailed to bank it with dirt and stone, night watchmen  were placed at different places on the line, so as, if possible, to prevent any accident to passing trains. Near Grantham there was much flood, and the low lying grounds were submerged many acres in extent on the Midland line, between Nottingham and Derby, the fields were under water for a considerable extent, and much damage has been been done, chiefly the gardens. A great deal of inconvenience was also occasioned to the residents of such places as were close to the river. The Trent Bridge and District.—Looking up the river from the Trent-bridge, a vast expanse of water meets the eye, dotted here and 'there the tops of trees and hedges; the latter being almost entirely hidden. The remains of the old bridge are covered by the water only the rippling at the surface denoting that they exist. The rush of water through the arches runs very great, and carries with it portions of trees and other matter collected in its course. The usually placid stream known as the old Trent, which runs by the side of the Water Works, is transformed into a roaring river, and has flooded all the neighbouring fields, and joins the Trent again by the side of the Union Inn. Persons residing in the country experienced difficulty in getting home, owing to the roads being under water, in some instances to a considerable depth. The middle of tho road leading to the Wilford toll bar is under water. This difficulty being overcome, Ruddington may be reached by keeping upon the footpath, although the road in some places is covered with water. Unwary passengers are in great danger of a thorough wetting, if not something more serious; indeed, a tramp coming from Loughborough inadvertently stepped intothe road, and, after going a few yards, found himself standing up to the neck in water, having gone into a dyke close by the road side. His loud cries for help soon brought a number of persons to his assistance, and he was rescued from his queer position just as Sergeant Walker, with ropes and drags, came up. He was taken to the Trent Bridge inn, where, by the kindness of Mrs. Jameson, he was refreshed both inwardly and outwardly, and continued on his journey. After this incident a fire was lighted upon elevated spot, and a watchman placed on the road to warn persons of their danger. The Cricket Ground.— This is covered by the flood ; which………… 

 At a late hour last at night the water was within a foot from the metals of the Midland Railway near the bridge on the Wilford-road. A tribe of wandering gipsies who had taken up their quarters in one of the arches of the Wilford Bridge, had to move very hastily; as the water rushes through the arches with great velocity, and in a short time would have carried away their fragile dwellings. 

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  19 September 1850
  Nottinghamshire Guardian
  Nottinghamshire 


Stealing an Axe. —John Smith, a vagrant gipsy, was charged with stealing, on the 12th instant, an axe belonging to John Crabtree. keeper of the West Bridgford toll-bar. On Thursday afternoon the prosecutors grandson was chopping sticks in the yard adjoining the house when the prisoner went into the yard in a state of intoxication. There was nobody at home but the lad and his grandmother. The prisoner asked for a bit of baccy, and then for a glass of beer, which being refused he snatched the axe from the lad's hand,and went away with it. The boy and his grandmother followed, and when they came up with the man he turned round, flourished the axe and said 'If any body, man or woman, comes near me I'll knock their brains out.” He was then allowed away. The same day he was apprehended pc. Pool, at the camp in Wilford lane. where also the axe was found. When asked if he had an axe in his possession which did not belong to him, he replied that he believed he had such a axe, but he did not know where he had got it from. The prisoner pleaded that he was drunk at the time, and did not know what he was doing.—Dismissed with a caution 


Tuesday 10 July 1934
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire 


THE POETRY OF NOTTS

In Praise of Wilford. Dr. Spencer Hall, self-educated from the stocking frame and printing machine to literary eminence wrote the following lines
Wilford: when, first I gazed on thee Whilst leaning o'er upland stile. Thy flooded meads were one vast lake And thou little bowery isle! Time passed, but left me not at rest. untill a pilgrim I had been. All pensive, ’neath thy grey church tower All cheerful on thy rural green. Wilford! whichever way to thee come from thy surrounding plains— Whether Clifton's wood walks dim. Or Bridgford's gipsy-haunted lanes; Or from yon spired and castled town. O’er meads where flowers in myriads blow , Thy scenes so beautify the rest. That all through thee, more lovely grow. Dear village! i have wandered far.  And much have known and felt and done. Since first from Lenton fields i saw Thy waters mock the setting sun. As up they sent to heaven again The beams it shed o'er them and thee. While Spring went softly forth and touched With mellower brightness tower and tree
 
Thursday 05 January 1899
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire


—Detective-Sergeant Clifton apoke of arresting the prisoner at Peterborough on a warrant, and he  replyed to the charge and said, “I can only plead guilty to it.”   witness recovered the harness from gipsies at Giltbrook; the remainder he obtained at a saddler's shop in ilkeston. The barrow found on some waste land at Wilford 
 

Friday 13 January 1899
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 


THIS DAY'S POLICE NEWS
  A Case for the Sessions.—Geo. Withers, labourer, Stilton. Huntingdon was charged with stealing a pony, a trap and harness, value £10. the property of  Arthur Simpson, 25, West-street  August 14th. 1898. Joseph Trout, 2. Provident-street, stated that he was employed by the prosecuter and let the defendant have the pony and trap on hire for 6s. with Simpson Prosecutor deposed that the prisoner at one time worked for him. He did not give the prisoner permission to borrow his pony and trap in August. John Smith, travelling dealer, spoke of purchasing the pony and trap from the prisoner for 32s. 6d.. and Clifton said he arrested he the prisoner at Peterborough, Prisoner was committed the Sessions.

 Saturday 14 January 1899
 Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire

 Labourer Committed to the Sessions. George Withers, labourer, of Stilton, Huntingdon, was charged on remand with the theft of a pony, barrow, and a set of harness, together of the value of £lO, the property of Arthur Simpson, of 25, West-street. According to the evidence the prisoner went to a man named Trout, of Provident-street, a cabman in the employ of the prosecutor, and asked him for a pony, a barrow, and a set cf harness, for which he said he had paid Simpson 6s. Trout let him have them, and had not seen him since.Simpson denied that he had either seen the prisoner or received any money from him. The pony and harness were sold to man named John Smith, living in a caravan in Cremorne-street, for 32s. 6d., and the barrow was found on some waste land near Wilford Bridge. Withers was arrested at Peterborough Detective-sergeant Clifton, when charged by whom he said: I can only plead guilty.—Prisoner was committed to the Sessions.

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Sky

If you read through all the storys above there are clues, i pick up on them for this is my place, i have a feel for everything and know all the land, all these storys have great history clues, the Gipsy people must have been camping round this part of the town yeares and yeares ago, much more to learn, we will get there in the end, when i put every record on i can find we will try and work everything out and who is who, evan the Belgium Gipsies was campt in their caravans, but George Smith hammered them rotten and smashed theire caravans up, he evan smashed theire fiddles up,  try and find the clues yourself ,look for things like the colliery land and things like that, trust me they are all in a stones throw of each other, everything connects, what does Smiths field meen, as yet we can not truthfully say


Tuesday 21 June 1927
  Nottingham Journal
  Nottinghamshire 


A DAMAGED FENCE
 
When George Smith, living In a caravan Hawthorne-street, Nottingham appeared at the Summons Court yesterday charged with damaging to the extent of 40s a fence belonging to the Clifton Colliery Co the watchmin said that on 9 June he saw the defendant (who owned four horses) pull down the fence and lead the animals Into a field beyond. When he was spoken to he said: Somebody’s got to keep them. The defendant declared that the fence had been down since the coal stoppage, and that he had been told the field was tip ground which he could take his horses. A fine of £3 was imposed
 



Monday 20 June 1927
  Nottingham Evening Post
  Nottinghamshire 



 CARAVANER AND HORSES. NOTTINGHAM CONVICTION FOR FENCE DAMAGE.
It was said of George Smith, of the Caravan, Hawthorne-street.,who was summoned at the Nottingham Guidhall to-day for wilfully damaging a fence to the extent of 40s., the property of the Clifton Colliery Company, that he pulled down the fence, and fetching his four horses drove them into a field mowing the grass owned by the company. Mr. R. A. Young prosecuted, and a watchman at the colliery said that when he spoke to defendant about the fence, the man replied, I have got 'em (the horses) and someone has got to keep 'em. Smith, who created much amusement with his excitable attitude in the dock, declared that the fence had been down since the colliers were on strike. He further stated that the land upon which he sent the horses was tip land. A fine of was imposed. 

when you click on this link below just then click on the link at the top, and there is the land, at the top of that big chimney, and that the old Wilford toll bridge from some of the storys i just put on, where the Gipsies camp, can you see the archers on the left bank, and at the bottom is the Cliffton colliery site and power station land, and just over the river i think that is the old Smiths field from the farmer storys

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Robert Mellors, Old Nottingham suburbs: then and now  Wilford 1914
 
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NORTH WILFORD

By an Order of the Local Government Board, made in 1894, the parish of Wilford was divided, and that part of the parish to the north of the Trent was directed to be called North Wilford. It will surprise some people to be told how large a portion of Nottingham Meadows was in the original parish, and now forms the new parish named

 The Wilford Meadow was the land west of what we call Wilford Boad, now the Colliery district, and south of "The King's Meadow." In a perambulation of the boundaries of Sherwood Forest in 1505, the officers started from the King's Castell att Nottingham, "and then by the Ould Trentt to the oulde corse of the watter of Leene (which is the bound between the King's medows and the medow of Wilford " etc. B. B., 413.
Between the King's Meadow and Wilford Meadow, it is probable, the boundary was a great dyke. A lithographic view of Nottingham was taken by Henry Burn in 1845, apparently from the northern boundary dyke of Wilford parish, at the junction of King's Meadow and Wilford Roads. It shows the footpath to the ferry, and the dyke, with a tree prominent in the foreground. A copy of this picture appears in "In and about Notts.," page 248.

Crocuses. At the middle of the last century millions of crocuses were growing on both parts of North Wilford meadows, forming a sight of beauty such as no-one who had seen them could ever forget. They are nearly all gone now. Two fields near the Colliery survive, west of Bosworth road Schools. But why mourn over lost flowers?
The places where they grew are occupied with houses, and the houses are full of children, and the children are more beautiful, and of greater value than the flowers.

Colliery. There are in North Wilford two parts necessarily and permanently divided. In the west section the Colliery is the principal feature. When the Pit was sunk, and the Colliery opened out, the business was for several years carried on in the name of Mr. Saul Isaacs as proprietor, until in 1876 the Clifton Colliery Company, Ltd., was formed. It is now the largest employer of labour in the parish, usually having 1,000 workmen and boys,

Schools.
The Bosworth Road Schools were opened in 1886,  suggests that the names of local streets are reminiscent of the end of the Wars of the Roses, and of the Civil War.


click on this link below then click on the x at the top when the link opens, then at the bottom middle is the old Wilford toll bridge, just up from there is Bosworth street, thats next to Hawthorne street but its not marked on there , you can see the old Cremorne ground and Kings Meadow road, the bleach works is on the land, i think thoes are allotments of gardens on the bottom of the land, have you got your bearings, the Toll bridge has only the brick pairs left the middle span they pulled down years ago and put up a rubbish mettle bit, i used to go over the old Toll into Wilford with my Mother long ago, it was real narrow, i think thats why they pulled it down maybe, or maybe it was unsafe, that was a long time ago, my Mother the champion at getting the deal, door knocking hawking, what ever you call it in what ever time, you still had to get the deal, boy ho boy, sometimes she got no money but would come back with food, evan a clock or a painting, one day she came back with a dog in her pocket, a deal is a deal, i liked to count the money on the floor, happy days, long days ago

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That's some really good information about the area, if there was a farmer in the area with the name smith, it could be a fair assumption to think the land name was given as smith field because that family owned it...

There could of even been seasonal work on the Smith farm/ fields, hence why the Wilsher family keep showing up in this place, ofc a great deal of more reserch is needed, hopefully as I purchase more certificates, this area turns up more.

I also now have Rebecca Wilsher's fathers birth certificate now too... If you have a email address I will happily send you a copy. 

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Sky

If you read through these storys you will read of the land that we think is Smiths Field from your research finds in the records of the Wilshers camping there in their caravans in the 1890s now known below as waste lands, Colliery lands or land Belonging to Mr. H. Brown and Messrs. Brothers. offten it is stated in the storys that Hawthorne street and Kings Meadow Road is like a side address, in one of the storys below it says George Smith broke down a fence to get into a field there, this would be proof of a kind that proved he as a Smith did not own any land there and the Smith name of the Field in the older storys connected to the Wilshers was not connected to him so must derive its name elsewhere, look how also it states in one story.........
 "George Smith, of the Caravan, Hawthorne-street"

Nottingham 1909

After numerous written notices and two and one quarter hours of argument, a body of Gipsies were removed from land in Hawthorne street, Nottingham. Belonging, Mr. H. Brown and Messrs. Brothers. For two or three years  this land has been the free habitat of the Bohemians,  the landowners, in co-operation with the city sanitary inspector,  determined to them,   notice of eviction  Mr. Brown's agent, together with two gentlemen from Red Lion-street, two other men' on behalf of Chorley Brothers, and a couple of policemen, at nine o'clock this morning.   Perhaps the order had not been taken seriously, for the encampment had yet made the slightest preparation, and the only horse fetched from the fields was promptly sent away when the police were spotted. There were three caravans, in which some 15 people lived, Billy Bacon, pleaded that his only available horse was lame, and refused to quit. Thereupon the two gentlemen from 
Red Lionstreet, capable looking, stepped to the front
 “The first man who touches my van  I'll lay  out" intimated Billy, the powerful looking fellow  standing over six feet high.  The gentlemen from Red Lion-street consulted, and decided that they could not interfere under the  circumstances. Meanwhile, one of the owners of the other vans said he was quite willing
 "to have a flutter'’ and stand the consequences. 
Someone was despatched to negotiate 


FIGHT AMONGST THE GIPSIES 1918

 As sequel to regular melee  between bands of  Gipsies who have settled on a waste piece of land in Hawthorne street, Nottingham, George Smith, 57, popularly known as "Gipsy Smith," appeared at the Nottingham Guildhall to day charged with wilfully damaging a caravan, three violins, and other property, value £20. belonging to  basali, a  swarthy looking foreigner who has not yet mastered the english language. Smith was also charged with assaulting Barthelmy Ferret, another van dweller. so far as the charges of assault were concerned permission was asked to withdraw them on the understanding that prisoner compensated prosecutor for damage. Mr. Clayton for Smith facetiously remarked that was a demonstration of Gipsy love, adding that prisoner was not an  evangelist, though born and bred in a tent. (laughter) Smith ordered to pay the £20 to Basali, Prisoner expressed his gratitude to the magistrates

  Monday 20 June 1927
 

CARAVANER AND HORSES. NOTTINGHAM CONVICTION FOR FENCE DAMAGE.
It was said of George Smith, of the Caravan, Hawthorne-street.,who was summoned at the Nottingham Guidhall to-day for wilfully damaging a fence to the extent of 40s., the property of the Clifton Colliery Company, that he pulled down the fence, and fetching his four horses drove them into a field mowing the grass owned by the company. Mr. R. A. Young prosecuted, and a watchman at the colliery said that when he spoke to defendant about the fence, the man replied, I have got 'em (the horses) and someone has got to keep 'em. Smith, who created much amusement with his excitable attitude in the dock, declared that the fence had been down since the colliers were on strike. He further stated that the land upon which he sent the horses was tip land. A fine of was imposed. 

when you click on this link below just then click on the link at the top, and there is the land, at the top of that big chimney, and that the old Wilford toll bridge from some of the storys i just put on, where the Gipsies camp, can you see the archers on the left bank, and at the bottom is the Cliffton colliery site and power station land, and just over the river i think that is the old Smiths field from the farmer storys
            Nottingham 1931

The gallant rescue of two horses from a burning stable in Hawthorne-street, The Meadows, Nottingham, early this morning, was effected by Albert Ashley, a travelling showman, living in a caravan on a piece of waste ground in Hawthorne-street.

 

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 Sky

Did you read the  information in one of the above posts i sent, in one of the accounts from this book below its states about the Dyke Drain, and Fields next to Bosworth Road ....."Two fields near the Colliery survive"
 
Robert Mellors, Old Nottingham suburbs: then and now  Wilford 1914
 
 NORTH WILFORD

Between the King's Meadow and Wilford Meadow, it is probable, the boundary was a great dyke. A lithographic view of Nottingham was taken by Henry Burn in 1845, apparently from the northern boundary dyke of Wilford parish, at the junction of King's Meadow and Wilford Roads. It shows the footpath to the ferry, and the dyke 

Crocuses. At the middle of the last century millions of crocuses were growing on both parts of North Wilford meadows, forming a sight of beauty such as no-one who had seen them could ever forget. They are nearly all gone now. Two fields near the Colliery survive, west of Bosworth road Schools. But why mourn over lost flowers?
The places where they grew are occupied with houses, and the houses are full of children, and the children are more beautiful, and of greater value than the flowers.

Sky click on this link below that i sent you before, it lets you zoom right in, at the bottom is the area we talk of, and see Bosworth Road to, look at the Dyke, there is massive amounts of evidence in all the storys to start forming a bigger picture, do not just collect pieces of paper, thats just like a game, you want to learn of the Wilshers and their life as i do, its not that easy though, you can just collect census records, i notice you refear to such things in a way that they are hard evidence, theres far more to People than most people are innterested in, you can only be yourself i guess, i am just being me

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Sky read again all the evidence try and look into the storys, they all contain evidence, it is easy like most people do and just skip through storys and only look for a name or a date, this way of researching is just like playing a jigzaw puzzle or card game, most people just are not rearly innterested in the truth, its the taking part in a bit of a fun time that they like, you wanted to find out about Smiths Field, if at the end you may write a book or a great report up of the Wilshers, you have done a very good job of it so far, well done


Friday 19 July 1895
   
ACTION FOR DAMAGE GRASS. Smith v. Forman.—ln this action Mr. Georg Smith, farmer, of Wilford, sought to recover from Mr. Arthur Forman of Wilford, the sum o £69 11s.,  damage done to mowing  grass trespass alleged to have been committed by Mr. Forman cattle and horses in the summer of 1893.   that of the plaintiff comprising about 19 and a half acres, which the liad out for mowing in May, 1893. Between the fields there was a dyke, and this dyke formed a natural barrier. In the summer of 1893 it was a particularly dry one, and the dyke was frequently dried up.  Some gipsies were allowed to have cattle on a field near by but these animals could not get into his field……  Richard Blount said that he was employed in cleaning the new drain in 1893 until July. He had seen horses and ponies belonging to gipsies grazing on the mowing grass in question, and had noticed the gipsies fetch them off in the morning.... . —Edward Ross, who superintended the men making the new drain, said he had seen horses and donkeys belonging to the gipsies encamped at the other side of the drain in the mowing piece.—Samuel Fox, who assisted in cutting the new drain, gave similar evidence . He had seen the animals which did not belong to Mr. Forman in the mowing piece. The cattle could get in by the footbridge put over the dyke by the Clifton Colliery Company.— Thomas Lamin, foreman to Mr. Arthur Forman, said that in 1893 there was a certain amount bother about cattle going backwards and forwards over ihe dyke.Cattle got onto Mr Foremans land, both from the plaintiffs and other peoples fields. Witness had seen animals belonging to gipsies on Mr Smith land…… . So far as they could tell, however, the matter had been very much exaggerated. The gipsies, either rightly or wrongly, had their horses in, and if damage was done it certainly was not all  not done by Mr. Foreman…………….  Having reviewed the evidence, his Lordship said he thought, he should do justice if he gave judgment for 50 guineas with costs


  "Richard Blount said that he was employed in cleaning the new drain in 1893 until July. He had seen horses and ponies belonging to gipsies grazing on the mowing grass in question, and had noticed the gipsies fetch them off in the morning.... . —Edward Ross, who superintended the men making the new drain, said he had seen horses and donkeys belonging to the gipsies encamped at the other side of the drain in the mowing piece.—Samuel Fox, who assisted in cutting the new drain, gave similar evidence . He had seen the animals which did not belong to Mr. Forman in the mowing piece. The cattle could get in by the footbridge put over the dyke by the Clifton Colliery Company"

and liston to this Cliffton Colliery is on the same side of the river as Hawthorne Street, think about it, that must or may meen George Smith the Farmer had one of the fields and thats why it was known in the older records as Smiths Field, its only a maybe we have to start somewhere