Is it Still "Early 2019"?

[aghadowey]

It's not just you. 

Last night I tried to find death for a John Henry in 1867 in Coleraine registration district. I didn't expect to see the image but wanted his age at death from the index. I got the same "No results found. Please try a different search."

[scotmum]

At least I'm in good company then  .

[cwatterson]

The main page for irishgenealogy.ie now says "Death register records – 1871 to 1974"

Even though we didn't have the images it was invaluable to be able to look up deaths between 1864 and 1871.

Hopefully this isn't some kind of crazy "fix" to the site for not having the images.

Anyone have any details from emailing to enquire?

[athacliath62]

The index records for deaths for that timeframe are still on FamilySearch, with copies on Findmypast and Ancestry

[athacliath62]

It's not just you. 

Last night I tried to find death for a John Henry in 1867 in Coleraine registration district. I didn't expect to see the image but wanted his age at death from the index. I got the same "No results found. Please try a different search."

The location is a bit scrambled on Familysearch, but this might match - the district is correct on the FindMyPast version:

[Jon_ni]

The location is a bit scrambled on Familysearch

Lurgan District often is too, as is a Townland and Parish elsewhere and the wrong one has sometimes been selected from drop down location lists. The District is only the one word in the quarterly indexes, but with no duplicate District/PLU names, so was lack of Irish registration knowledge during the volunteer online transcriptiion project.

Aghadowey knows of all the resources, but worth saying that for deaths before 1871 within what is now N.I. rather than Familysearch/Ancestry or Findmypast indexes better searching on GRONI where the images can be viewed too if desired.
If unsure of the relevance Familysearch's Ireland, Deaths, 1864-1870 (Ireland, Select Deaths, 1864-1870 on Ancestry) may add second forname, place of death (Townland or street) and occupation but is far from complete even for the years stated 1864 (12,622), 1865 (6,306), 1866 (22), 1867 (19), 1868 (41), 1869 (289) and 1870 (32,148).
https://familysearch.org/en/search/collection/1584965
https://ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/9903

The indexes elsewhere created from the 1959 microfilms are known to be deficient/incomplete compared with what was on IrishGen whose indexes were welcomed by genealogists as an improvement on what there was, even before the pdf images were linked.
https://irishgenealogynews.com/2013/05/so-what-so-plenty.html

The 1864-1870 Death indexes, names & ages disappeared 3 months ago at the same time as the site added the ability to specify County and search all districts within rather than just individual Superintendent Registrar Districts. The Location box became entitled "Enter a County, Civil registration district or Church area" Basically they stripped out anything that did not have a individual Group Registration ID to remove all the duplicates in the 3 index types.

I contacted them 7th Oct to point out that Co.Derry didn't work (zero results) B M & D. 18 results for Derry District.
Londonderry District, Strabane, Coleraine, Limavady, Newtownlimavady produce as they should.
Reply 13 Oct was "We initially experienced some minor bugs with this functionality as you have highlighted below, these issues should now be resolved."
Likely a generic response as seems they had tweaked and fixed elsewhere in the previous few days, but County Londonderry still cannot be searched in bulk if District is unknown, which was their reason for the change eg for those who knew their ancestor was from Co. Cork but not the Civil Parish or Townland & hence which one of 19 Districts it fell under.

https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=889249.msg7686348#msg7686348
I wrote "1864-1870 essentially get no Death results [122 for all Ireland] as all the old index only have disappeared which may mean that all the later duplications of entries have disappeared where had one result with an image and another saying the image was unavailable"
Wildcard functionality also seemed to return in Advanced boxes, mother's maiden surname, spouse etc.

Trying that Civil Deaths search tonight [just entering end date 1870, no name or location] I get 1365 results (one being for 1856 and two for 1858 - John Hanlon was 1956, Anne Cullen 1958 but her image is the next page from that linked. The final Michael Daly is actually indexed correctly and perhaps a period error for 1868 https://irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=cide-7243855).
Along the same lines there are 15 pre-1864 births, so likely transcription errors/typos to report, which only get incorporated periodically when they next update the database (next year with the missing deaths?).

[Jon_ni]

FYI of the 15 pre-1864 births indexed all were input errors and all have mother's maiden surnames indexed so are presumably recent additions/submissions.

All 9 in 1863 should read 1864 and most of the mother's maiden surnames were wrong too eg McSimon = McLornan/m, Hrahan = Strahan or the father's surname Shannahan (Shanahan)
A few were in N.I so could be cross referenced if hard to read as could the old quarterly index transcripts (FindMyPast version).
William Flynn 1861 I proposed 1961, there is no image.
Margaret Johnston 1860 should be 1866.
Justin Feddis 1859 image not found, suggested 1959 as there is no index entry in Rathdown earlier.
Christopher Byrne mother Fagan was definately 1957 as there is a matching quarterly birth index.
Mary McAdams 29 Jan 1854 should be 1864 and was the only entry on a October re-submission with clerical errors on the previous April one, so is indexed twice ('1854' & 1864) but both are linked to the same later image. Her twin Anne is again indexed twice (1864), with different Group Registration IDs, but both of hers link to the original April submission image showing both births & others.

These errors were only apparent because the dates were impossible, any births 1970 entered as 1870 would not be.

[Jon_ni]

Claire CBGenealogy thanks for your heads up, which Facebook flagged as of likely interest, about the release anticipated today as in yesterday's Sunday Independent.

Looks like the missing deaths 1864-1870 are going to appear on https://www.irishgenealogy.ie
All eagerly await but the data may still leave some uncertainties: Relationship to deceased is generally NOT stated prior to 1881 for deaths. The words father, mother, son, daughter, husband, wife, widow of etc rarely appear pre-1881 [GRONI purchases].

The wording & instructions changed with the 1880 Births and Deaths Registration Act (Ireland) [1 Jan 1881] from the original 1863 Act for the Registration of Births and Deaths in Ireland.
Originally Persons PRESENT at death or OCCUPIERS of the house were the preferred informants and the term 'Relative' was unused. From 1881 it was the duty of the nearest RELATIVES to provide info. From a genealogy perspective the pre-1881 situation can leave uncertainties eg was Mary (house Inmate, the occupier being deceased) his wife, a daughter or even widowed sister-in-law; was John, present at death, husband or son of a married woman (use age, husband if children young), son or grandson of a widow?
Take Occupier as the person head of house on census/the person on Griffiths Valuation.

Some examples:
1868 by Mary, Inmate (Occupier deceased), of the same Townland
1873 Martha (Wife of Labourer) registered by John, present at death of same house & street [= Husband]
1878 child's death - registered by William, Present at death of the same street. [father, but not specifically stated]
1878 Hector McNeill aged 83 - registered by Mary McNeill, present at death, of the same Townland. [daughter, but not specifically stated (wife was Margaret)]
by Occupier, the father of a 21 year old [informant not actually present, out in the fields rather than at the bedside].

The registration of deaths in particular had been deficient and the 1880 Act "with regard to deaths, considerably increased the number of persons authorized to give information, by all relatives being made informants in certain cases" [1881 Registrar General's Report]

"The defects of Death registration were demonstrated when the result of the Census for 1871 became known. By these returns it was shown that the number of the deaths registered in the City of Dublin fell short of the number of the bodies of Dublin citizens buried in the principal Dublin cemeteries by about 9 per cent."

[Wexflyer]

Amazing, wonder of wonders. I thought they would only release these after the Last Trumpet sounded.