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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #72 on: Sunday 19 May 19 22:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you. I'm not sure I'd have made sense of Mary Ellen's info without all of your help.

Quick checks of Catherine Lambert suggest one with her parents lodging with a John and Jane Bond in Liverpool. They may have come from Ireland which may explain Ireland being on Kate Carr's census entry once? Maybe.

That's possible. If she was consistent about p.o.b. on every other census. She might even have adopted an Irish accent to fit in. It has been known.  ;)
We always have to remember that we are only looking at census enumerator's books apart from 1911 census. The household member completing the return may have made a mistake or the census enumerator might have copied it down wrong.
I came across several households in Preston whose members were all born in Ireland according to census enumerator's book. Many of them were actually born in Lancashire. There were Irish households in the first few houses in the street and the census clerk had written "do" for ditto under "Ireland" and continued writing "do" for several pages even when it was obvious that birthplaces were in Lancashire.  I checked that there were no places called Bacup, Rawtenstall or Oswaldtwistle etc. in Ireland before reporting the error.  ;D
My Scottish ancestors in Preston are down as Irish on 1841 census but Scottish in 1851.
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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #73 on: Sunday 19 May 19 23:04 BST (UK) »
Thank you. I'm not sure I'd have made sense of Mary Ellen's info without all of your help.

Quick checks of Catherine Lambert suggest one with her parents lodging with a John and Jane Bond in Liverpool. They may have come from Ireland which may explain Ireland being on Kate Carr's census entry once? Maybe.

But this Catherine has Father James Lambert a cooper.  I don’t think she can be yours.

Another possibility is Cathe Lambert 15 b Ireland servant for the Chandler family.

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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #74 on: Sunday 19 May 19 23:05 BST (UK) »
They may have come from Ireland which may explain Ireland being on Kate Carr's census entry once? Maybe.

Twice. See reply #59
1861 reply #59 and 1891 reply #4. 1881 has a ditto for Preston, birthplace of Thomas. That may be clerical error. Cath's p.o.b. was Liverpool on 1871 census, wasn't it?
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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #75 on: Sunday 19 May 19 23:11 BST (UK) »
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Cath's p.o.b. was Liverpool on 1871 census, wasn't it?

Yes

Thomas Irvine Preston
Kate Liverpool
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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #76 on: Sunday 19 May 19 23:13 BST (UK) »
I think Catherine dau of James and Mary Lambert Baptism 1839 Liverpool married Edward Jacob BERGMAN 1873

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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #77 on: Sunday 19 May 19 23:15 BST (UK) »
They may have come from Ireland which may explain Ireland being on Kate Carr's census entry once? Maybe.

Twice. See reply #59

Also, remember John Bond a witness at the LAMBERT WILSON marriage.

There’s another (1866 I think, Ancestry is not loading for me at the moment) of another Daniel WILSON to a Margaret Lambert  widow, whose father is John Bond

And Sarah Wilson was a witness for the Carr lambert wedding so she might be connected somewhere

That's what made me think the Bond census data may be relevant. But, yes, the father doesn't match then.

I was a census enumerator for 1991 census. I had to try to explain to a bloke in a tiny 1-bed flat that it wasn't likely he had 14 people there that night - had he just listed all his family? I think he shut the door on my face. That'll be fun for his descendants.

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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #78 on: Monday 20 May 19 00:07 BST (UK) »

I was a census enumerator for 1991 census. I had to try to explain to a bloke in a tiny 1-bed flat that it wasn't likely he had 14 people there that night - had he just listed all his family? I think he shut the door on my face. That'll be fun for his descendants.
Perhaps he'd held a party and everyone stayed upright.  ;D
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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #79 on: Monday 20 May 19 00:38 BST (UK) »
Morning,

In reply #59.  Who is Mr Johnson... or am I missing something?!

Bitzar.

P.S.  Am really enjoying this thread.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?
« Reply #80 on: Monday 20 May 19 00:54 BST (UK) »
I've done a very quick read of the threads and have wondered if you have looked at the surname of Corr.  I have Corr & Carr in my tree from Ireland & it is a common transcription error.

I have also found a birth for Thomas Corr whose details are - birth 22 December 1839 Preston.  Parents look to be Late Margaret who lived in Duke Street. 

I'll come back to this thread as I just wanted to put this suggestion in.  I'm curious to see the outcome.